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Old 01-12-2012, 07:38 AM   #706
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@boywonder: completely agree with everything you wrote, but for him this is business. I haven't read any of his books and will surely not buy one, as there are some fresh books on the market that are really good, but to beginners and others that are buying a dream his books are as good as any.
Erm... how do you know how good they are if you haven't read them?
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Old 01-12-2012, 08:09 AM   #707
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In his series IRunLucky has a few videos (called a day in the office) where he plays between 6 to 9 tables.
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Old 01-12-2012, 11:18 AM   #708
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There are "misleading" advertising/marketing ploys used in every facet of the consumer environment. If you turned on the TV and watch five minutes of advertisements you would see countless examples of products or services promising or insinuating that a desired result/outcome will occur when in reality the consumer will be left unsatisfied. As much as we'd like it to be untrue, these factors exist within the poker coaching world.


I'm not trying to justify or condone the marketing tactics of SlowHabit or any of the other coaches who have been discussed in this thread, but it's important to realize that this is the environment we consume products in. Is it immoral? Yes. Is it unethical? Yes. Welcome to 2012 on planet Earth.

In a perfect world all advertisers would be completely upfront with what we should expect from their products and what they will deliver, and that applies to poker coaching as well. However the reality is much different and consumers are ultimately responsible for doing the due dilligence required to assure that they aren't getting 'ripped off', and I find it kind of mind boggling that players do not realize this or choose to ignore it.

Having a coach prove that he is a) a winner at the stakes he is coaching or b) even playing at all these days before shipping him thousands of dollars is just common sense. This may come off as harsh but if someone needs that explained to them then they're incredibly naive and are at risk of getting taken advantage of in other aspects of the marketing world.

Naiveity is a characteristic that I see a great deal of in the online poker world despite the overall high level of intelligence that exists within it.
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Old 01-12-2012, 11:43 AM   #709
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micros do look hard on the surface but if you're an experimented player of higher stakes and move down there you notice that none of these players know how to use correctly any of the concepts and they just spew buyins 10x faster than fish.

anyone half decent moves down to 50nl and under will end up playing 40/35/15% and crush

2/4 for 7bb's @ 2-4 table is less than 100$ an hr
FYI, most of my play for the last 2 years or so has been 8-9 tabling...
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Old 01-12-2012, 11:51 AM   #710
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no reason to bring this guy into it. it appears he represents himself accurately.

cute that dailyvariance chooses to show stats/winnings on him, and not their other coaches, though. it's unfortunate he didn't realize how elite he is compared to the rest of them.

another fun clip is tri's post in his coaching thread:

Note: James didn’t ask me to write this. He was also a former student of mine.

I was working on a project on how to crush 200nl and I wanted someone who meets my high standard for theory and practice. Not only does he have to be a big winner, he has to be very good at conveying his thoughts using simple words. After working with James, it’s an understatement to say I hit the jackpot.

In the poker industry, it’s rare to find someone with the combination of results, teaching ability, and professionalism. James is one of these people.

So if you’re looking for a coach up to 400nl in 2011, James has my highest recommendation.
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Old 01-12-2012, 11:53 AM   #711
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[?] big winner
[?] not a big winner
[x] remembers how to play poker
[x] uses simple words for your micro based audience to understand and be happy with their purchase
[x] make tri lots of PASSIVE INCOME
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Old 01-12-2012, 12:01 PM   #712
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Is there anyone in this thread who believe that anyone who makes +$500/hour at the tables would coach you for $100/hour? You are stuck with the guys who make less then $50/hour paying them more then $50/hour for their coaching. It is easy money for the coaches but a bad investment for you as their pupil. Have a look at the guys who have started coaching from this forum, most of them charge way more then they ever could hope of making at the tables and you buy they services for some reason.

The guy mentioned in the OP is no different from any other coach, the only difference is that you look into this guy more then others. If you go about the same way with all coaches you will find that most are the same. Low winnings is more or less the same as a loosing player. If you want to learn to play winning poker you need to do what big winners do. Not what some random grinder does.
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Old 01-12-2012, 12:25 PM   #713
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Bought one of his books (wasn't an expensive one)... While it was OK, I don't think it was worth $50. Also saw that his company pumps out books like no tomorrow which is concerning. I wouldn't buy another product from his site.

Just another person trying to pinch every last dollar out of the community. This guy tries to do it by making expensive PDF files...
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Old 01-12-2012, 12:38 PM   #714
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the fact that tri doesnt even try to defend himself (lol at his earlier response) just shows how aware he is of what he is doing: scamming people who fall for false information. unfortunately that happens everywhere in the economy everyday, not only in poker.
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Old 01-12-2012, 12:41 PM   #715
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Those who can't do, teach. Those that can't teach, teach poker.
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Old 01-12-2012, 03:12 PM   #716
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"the fact that tri doesnt even try to defend himself (lol at his earlier response) just shows how aware he is of what he is doing: scamming people who fall for false information."

OK, In what areas did you feel he needed to defend hisself that he didn't address?
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Old 01-12-2012, 03:22 PM   #717
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[ ] nguyen loves this thread
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Old 01-12-2012, 03:32 PM   #718
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Old 01-12-2012, 03:36 PM   #719
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Why the **** has Irunlucky been brought into this ? He ****ing crushes today's 2/4 and 3/6 games and often starts tables with other regs and Ive seen him play many tables, tables which did not have a whale on it. He also happens to be a very good coach. I think he charges 200$/hr or something and whether he makes more or less playing doesn't really matter as he is very transparent about his results and I believe it is worth it to hire him if you want to break into Midstakes. NOTHING to do with Tri Nguyen who is another online "Become a Millionaire in 2 weeks" ebook seller.
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Old 01-12-2012, 03:47 PM   #720
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looks like anyone can make videos for dv

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2. Produce a videos with us. We offer by far the highest pay to video makers and coaches in the poker industry. In fact, we almost always match whatever our competitors offer and then some.
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