So he asks for advice from this forum to get better but has the gall to ask those same people not to make his games tougher?

I generally think that bumpnrun is an idiot who frequently posts on a poker message board only to complain about other people who regularly play poker well and seems to desire a game where everyone loses.

But in this instance, it is hard to not agree with him.

This is a poker forum where people discuss poker. People will discuss the best and worst sites to play on. This will not stop. Strategy discussion has certainly gotten much worse. Better players don't want to publicly talk about that so much anymore. But it goes on as it can. And talking about what sites are what will go on. Not everyone has motivations not to. Even the people who have motivations not to will still do it to some degree.

It is extremely unlikely to stop any time soon.

And, remember not everyone plays professionally, so they may not care as much. Simply the truth.

Honestly, IMO, at this day and age, all a thread like this does is call attention to people that there may be softer sites out there that they aren't currently on.



I also always feel:

2+2 forums helped me learn how to play and get good enough to win. I made posts. People answered. I do the same for other people who make posts. It doesn't seem fair to cut it off now and say no more help. I learned from people and I don't mind passing some down. Now, at the table I won't of course. But if the person is on 2+2 and looking for help, I'll answer some posts.



I'll acknowledge that I do not play professionally, so maybe people will point out that I'm not risking my livelihood or anything.

I agree for a different reason. I am one of the soft playerso on the site, and frankly, I DO NOT APPRECIATE BEING TARGETED!

here is one hand from a 1/2 game(straddles are quite prevalent as is horrendous play) last night I play in. I don't know all details but will sum it up: On the turn, the villain is probably facing about a pot sized bet which would put him all-in. the other villain(bettor) starts letting the guy facing a bet to start turning up his cards.

Board is 6 Q 8 K with two clubs. I am 100% the turn was a king, as for the flop, the 6 could be something a hair different (4,5,7 whatever)

So as stated, the bettor has now allowed the other villain(potential caller) to turn up two cards. It was the nine of clubs and 4 of clubs. Villain says, "let me turn up one more." This time the Jack of clubs is revealed. So at this point in time, the best hand the bettor can have is a pair of kings with a king high flush draw(we know three of his cards and he doesn't have a pair). With all that said, the potential caller folds face up showing his Q8 for two pair and I didn't catch his other two cards. Bettor did not have a single pair(showed the fourth card after the hand was over(5c), something like a few straight draws with his flush draw (in which case he holds four of that suit in his hand)

Now, I get to face the same villain in another hand not long after (the guy who folded two pair). I bump it up pretty heavy preflop from the SB with KK6x and get a favorable flop of Ak4 rainbow. I bet about half pot on the dry board and get two calls. turn is a 6, making a diamond flush draw. Both villains have about 3/4 pot bet behind or maybe one of them with less, so on the turn, I shove OOP. this time, the villain who folded two pair earlier when he was 100% ahead decides to call me with AQ22(dd), his only outs were a non-board-pair diamond.

it's a poker forum, softness of sites will get discussed, seek to find these people ^^^^

Well sure people have all kinds of motives, but what does it have to do with professional vs. non professional? It's just generally a bad idea if you play poker, no matter how much you play, or how skilled you are. Doesn't matter if you're pro, semi-pro, rec. But sure, those who don't play as often stand to lose less on average, certainly.

hahahahaha yes what gall I have, making a thread in NVG! What nerve! I must be the problem, sucking strat content from others, and then trying to go and control what others talk about! What a crazy arrogant guy!

I feel like people are taking this thread even more seriously than I'm taking it. I'm well aware that discussion on the internet will happen regardless of what I have to say. And no, my livelihood is not threatened by chatter. Still, this "issue" deserves some attention, imo.

i understand and it is dumb to discuss as it is dumb to give out information if the incentive isnt right

That might be true for lots of players, but definitely not for everyone. If you play for fun and your goal is to get better by playing the best competition available, how is it a bad idea to attract more good players to the site you play on?

Softest site I have come across is FlaccidPoker dot com. Doesn't seem like anybody ever gets it all-in tho

what's worse is criticizing someone's play at the table that you are currently on. like the other day a player was calling 90% of hands preflop and when he tabled 84os that he voluntarily played another player at the table "asked why are you playing that garbage?" i wanted to smack that idiot and tell him to shut up. let the guy play all the 84os that he wants dummy!!!! some people are just so stupid about talking about poker at the table and trying to educate the fish it tilts the hell out of me.

posting on 2p2 about the "softness" of one site or another is not really a big deal imo.

ignition is the softest out there btw.

No regs at PKR.

Yeah like more 50% posters are winning players

Lot more recs then regs that view 2+2 so posting that a site is soft would be good for games not worse

Most popular site so like randoms are ere and they will go there even if the carrot not all it's cracked up to be

Think of it this way if they can't fold ak pre to a all in when I have I royal flush who wins?

Basic math but no way you know it.

Fish don't care what you say about their play . They are just gambling . If they win a pot with 84o then they won't care that you think it is bad. Worst thing about table chat these days is that there isn't any . A lot of recs want to chat even if it is trash talk

i disagree, they may not realize how bad of a play limping in preflop is until you point it out to them, in any case it doesnt help to let them know. and nobody likes to be thought of as an idiot or bad player (generally) and i agree i like to talk and have fun at my table, but i don't discuss poker strategy in the process. thats stupid.

What's up guys, we are here we are live , My name is JoeIngram1 and I don't talk STRAT ON THE POD!!!!

But TODAY I am going to tell you how I just ran up 500k on Bovada!!!


Translation- Open invite to every euro thats been on my pod to VPN the hell out of the site and an open invite to all other PLO players who do not know this site is this soft

I don't play PLO but have heard this more than likely had a huge effect on game quality over there

The only thing that's okay to teach at the poker table is that it's not okay to teach at the poker table.

It can only hurt your winrate.

You never know when a fish or semi fish or omc admires your play and takes your poker critique to heart and improves.

One of the worst things about the introduction of the btn straddle in my area is that everyone talked about the importance of position. It's a disaster. Like forcing opponents to open their hand when you almost certainly have them beat anyway; it imparts a war-like atmosphere instead of a fun one. Both these things make the game way tougher.

One evening in 2001 or so, I was sitting in a $2 -4 Limit game at the Bellagio.

Sklansky and Mason walked up behind me and watched a few hands.

David then asked me, "You do know you don't have to play every hand"?

That remark did not change how I played, that night or ever.

Recs gonna rec.

Smell that one you bad reg.

Heard lock poker is soft but hard on cash outs.

Bigger reg to fish ratio is better than no players at all.
Maybe people should stop whining and start working to become better than other regs instead of banking on some fish heaven site pipe dream being there forever.

I laughed at this post more than I should have.

I think it's a huge misconception that fish aren't trying to win. Most subscribers at RIO or upswing are certainly going to be losing players but the obv care about winning.

No rake, just tips?