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04-03-2017 , 11:21 AM
Grandma, though. My 90 y.o. uncle visits once/year and I take him to play 3-6 LHE at Talking Stick, we sit at the same table and I tell everyone that if we are HU we're soft-playing and explain why. 'Grandma' goes to motivation plus he got permission and he ought to be cut some slack for this narrow case, imo.
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04-03-2017 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by michelle227
Just out of curiosity, how did you know they were not 50...after all, there ARE many who meet the 50+ requirement that do not appear to BE 50.

And yes, I fully expect to get this sort of grief in the various events in June precisely because I will be a newly-50 who does not look 50...
When I first played the WSOP Seniors event I got to my table late and got quite the stare-down from the really old guys convinced I was a ringer.
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04-03-2017 , 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ATrainBoston
Well, maybe we both wanted to play against the field that this tournament attracted. But I committed the real crime? No, you are the one who broke the rules, not me. You wanted to play with your grandma? As I said, the people who do this will always have their rationalizations. But the fact remains, you broke a rule...it's printed right on the structure sheet that you must be over 50 to play. You took advantage of the fact that the staff wasn't going to enforce the written rules. I think you are the one who is wrong here, not me. I hope you at least think about the purpose of these tournaments; its to attract more people to the series for a fun event. I wasn't the only one that day who thought what you were doing was wrong, i'm just the one who posted on 2 + 2 about it. Maybe in the future you will think better about this. You can't really justify your action; it will only make it more embarrassing for you. Probably the best thing to do is admit you may have been wrong, move on, and then everyone will probably just forget this.
Given that you are posting about a seniors event, it's likely that 95% of the field already has forgotten about "this", or whatever you are referring to, most within 24 hours ....

I am surprised that, in addition to refusing to believe he actually wanted to play in a tourney with his Grandma, you did not take it further and accuse him of renting a "fake Grandma" to gain entry himself.

Chill out, ya alter kocker.
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04-03-2017 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ATrainBoston
Well, maybe we both wanted to play against the field that this tournament attracted. But I committed the real crime? No, you are the one who broke the rules, not me. You wanted to play with your grandma? As I said, the people who do this will always have their rationalizations. But the fact remains, you broke a rule...it's printed right on the structure sheet that you must be over 50 to play. You took advantage of the fact that the staff wasn't going to enforce the written rules. I think you are the one who is wrong here, not me. I hope you at least think about the purpose of these tournaments; its to attract more people to the series for a fun event. I wasn't the only one that day who thought what you were doing was wrong, i'm just the one who posted on 2 + 2 about it. Maybe in the future you will think better about this. You can't really justify your action; it will only make it more embarrassing for you. Probably the best thing to do is admit you may have been wrong, move on, and then everyone will probably just forget this.
Yeah you're right its wrong to play if you aren't 50 years of age.
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04-03-2017 , 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Rich Checkmaker
Yeah you're right its wrong to play if you aren't 50 years of age.
Thanks, I'm moving on from this thread/
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04-03-2017 , 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ATrainBoston
This event yesterday was in Connecticut, and they had no such provision; maybe the discrimination laws there are different, and the casino can't enforce that rule, I don't know. I wish the casino could think of something to discourage this, but my comment is more directed at the players who do this, than to blame the casino
Blame the casino.

Why? Seniors are a protected class of citizens in the USA, it is legal to provide services exclusive to this class because everyone will someday become a senior citizen (assuming they live that long). I am almost positive that the casino is within its legal right at both State and Federal levels to ban anyone under the age of 50 provided that the age restriction is clear and evenly applied to all entrants. Therefore if there were underage participants the casino is clearly to blame, as they did not apply the law correctly.

With that said, I suspect the OP may be assuming that there were people under 50. Did he personally check their age? Did he discuss the problem with the casino management who acknowledged that there were underage patrons participating? Does the casino reserve the right to admit under age participants at its own discretion (this might happen if they have a VIP pit player who they want to make happy with a comp entry into a tournament)? I don't look a day over 38 but I will be eligible to play in seniors events in a few years.... I expect to have many a complaint made about my assumed underage status once I qualify.

This leads me to discuss the REAL issue - senior events should be 62+, not 50+. There are quite a few guys like me that came up during the online golden years who are just now entering into their 50's, this places the real seniors at a great disadvantage. Isn't it weird that a multi-tabling online reg and HU specialist will be able to play in these events populated by weak and passive old guys soon? It will be just like 2008 all over again where every tournament was won buy guys in their 20's - only this time it will be guys 50-55. lol!
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04-03-2017 , 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by DesertCat
When I first played the WSOP Seniors event I got to my table late and got quite the stare-down from the really old guys convinced I was a ringer.
You don't look your age. Kid.
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04-03-2017 , 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Rich Checkmaker
Yeah you're right its wrong to play if you aren't 50 years of age.
I hope you're at least 75% serious when you say this. You're a knucklehead that gets alotta **** here, but I think you really do have a love for the game and can see OPs original point.
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04-04-2017 , 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by likes
Stop obfuscating. "You don't *know* .." is a tired Internet forum device used to change the subject.

To put an end to this misdirection, I will tell you that I (and others) *know*. My source of knowledge is speaking directly to players who entered, who acknowledged that they were under 50, and by speaking directly to the gentleman who runs the room. With respect to the alleged entry by a man into the ladies event, I confess that I did not discover the answer with absolute certainty.
It was not a 'device' used to 'change the subject,' as evidenced by the balance of the quote you included from my earlier post. At the time of my post, there was not information that included HOW confirmation had existed, something that made my comment that much more the relevant piece of information. Some of us do not like to assume facts not in evidence...
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04-04-2017 , 12:10 PM
Not unethical - just massively uncool.

It was for people like this that the word "douchebag" was invented.
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04-04-2017 , 12:31 PM
Why is this a thread? We all know that people who enter events they aren't "supposed" to is at very least rude, and probably unethical. Nobody is breaking those rules, entering in these MTTs thinking "man, I'm doing the right thing!"
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04-04-2017 , 01:01 PM
I know binions senior event is 45 years of age.. I'm 42, and look like I'm in my late 20's... can't wait to play it...
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04-05-2017 , 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Rich Checkmaker
Im the 27 yearold looking regular MTTer OP was talking about. Actually I'm 30. I brought my Grandma to the casino that day to play in the senior tournament. While we were at the cage registering I told her I wished I could play with her and the staff said it was ok. So I bought in also. I was just going to play cash games while she played the tournament but I thought it would be more fun if we both played. Didn't know OP was running around telling people on me. Sorry buddy. I think the real crime here is OP just turned 50 and wants to take advantage of the over 50 65 and 70 yr olds playing like my 80 yr old grandma.
Rich is poorly leveling. Don't listen to him. He's in California living in the mountains.
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04-06-2017 , 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by beermankirk
I know binions senior event is 45 years of age.. I'm 42, and look like I'm in my late 20's... can't wait to play it...
if you're lucky you look like you are in your mid/late 30s. no one who is 42 looks 29. no matter how young you look. especially with the name beermankirk i highly doubt you don't look exactly 42. stay thirsty my friend.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoteny

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Originally Posted by AlwaysFolding
Rich is poorly leveling. Don't listen to him. He's in California living in the mountains.
confirmed i was not the douchebag playing in a seniors tournament.

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Originally Posted by chip&aprayer
I hope you're at least 75% serious when you say this. You're a knucklehead that gets alotta **** here, but I think you really do have a love for the game and can see OPs original point.
yeah obv playing in a seniors event is a low down thing to do. but if my grandma was playing in it and i thought it would be fun to play in it with her, id give everyone the middle finger.

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Originally Posted by ATrainBoston
Thanks, I'm moving on from this thread/
glad i could give you some closure. if you make a mistake just say sorry. not enough contrition in the world.
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