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Old 07-23-2012, 05:02 PM   #31
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London to Melbourne is 26 hours gate to gate, add more for getting there and waiting. Can be as little as 21 depending on things though.

Las Vegas doesn't have many direct flights either, there is one virgin flight daily from heathrow and it can be sold out or 3x expensive as flying another 2x long route.

Los Angeles is like 16 hour flight from Melbourne, I'm not sure if any regular direct flights to las vegas.
ehhhhh! You fly from London - Melbourne - LA.......LOL

Denmark is a very small country and far away from USA, we have direct lines to Las vegas. 1 from Copenhagen and 1 from Billund. Price 5600kr ($1000) and that's a both ways ticket. 9 hour flight

Edit: London is a 50min flight to Denmark, maybe you should consider that transfer instead of Melbourne, lol

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Old 07-23-2012, 05:12 PM   #32
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If you bust on the first hand of the ME, you're either going home with the most epic bad beat story of all time, or re-entry is only going to buy you 10 more hands anyway.
Well first hand is hard, but it has happened to me in a 10k without a bad beat. Of course the main event I wouldn't bother showing up on time because if people aren't willing to put their money in, I am not willing to play. Hasn't always been so nitty.

The travel time thing is a very valid point though. There are a lot of international players coming. Nothing different would be about the tournament. You still get the same table draws and if you advanced to day 2 you would not be allowed to enter again.

I just don't see a good argument against it. It's a sea of players. A guy you bust could come back later and bust you, that's the only downside I see.
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Old 07-23-2012, 05:13 PM   #33
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Re: View: Main Event a reentry?

I find it funny when people mention a 10K buyin, as something affordable to the average person. Like anything over 10K is too expensive.

Reality is few pro, are even rolled for a 10K buyin. Let alone some poker fan.


Personally I would have to have something like $4million to even consider playing a 10K buyin.

If I sat in a 10K, its a different story.
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I find it funny when people mention a 10K buyin, as something affordable to the average person.

Like anything over 10K is too expensive. Reality is few pro, are even rolled for a 10K buyin. Let alone some poker fan.

Personally I would have to have something like $4million to even consider playing a 10K buyin.

If I sat in a 10K, its a different story.
You brm may be stricter than any other poker player in the world, but you are right the buy in shouldn't be more than it is now.
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I find it funny when people mention a 10K buyin, as something affordable to the average person.

Like anything over 10K is too expensive. Reality is few pro, are even rolled for a 10K buyin. Let alone some poker fan.

Personally I would have to have something like $4million to even consider playing a 10K buyin.

If I sat in a 10K, its a different story.
That makes no sense mathematically unless you are talking about a freeroll tournament.

I think you need to be less nitty when evaluating your utility of money function. Playing the lottery with 50% rake is +LifeEV for a lot of people, certainly the easiest $10k ever with an income and a couple hundred thousand roll makes sense. In fact, there is a sweet zone probably of 50k-400k bankroll where the expectation you have as a winning player makes the money you win more valuable than for other people playing with more money in their rolls.

That's one reason big money tourneys are so compelling. Sometimes the guy playing for 2nd is playing right for his life, and the guy playing to win is not even if he is maximising his chance to actually win.
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Old 07-23-2012, 05:29 PM   #36
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You brm may be stricter than any other poker player in the world, but you are right the buy in shouldn't be more than it is now.
Well not really, maybe if you find it easy to make 10K, you can take some shots. Personally I find it a hefty amount and I would hate to flip for 10K.

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That makes no sense mathematically unless you are talking about a freeroll tournament.

I think you need to be less nitty when evaluating your utility of money function. Playing the lottery with 50% rake is +LifeEV for a lot of people, certainly the easier $10k ever with an income and a couple hundred thousand roll makes sense. In fact, there is a sweet zone probably of 50k-400k bankroll where the expectation you have as a winning player makes the money you win more valuable than for other people playing with more money in their rolls.

That's one reason big money tourneys are so compelling. Sometimes the guy playing for 2nd is playing right for his life, and the guy playing to win is not even if he is maximising his chance to actually win.
Yes most of the pros overestimate their edge. Exactly your reasoning is the reason so many pros with 7 figure scores are dead broke.

Although I would tend to agree with you, if we are only looking at the main event in a vacuum. Structre wise its a great tourney and there is great value.

For players that are playing all the live 10Ks. You really need a bankroll in the millions.
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Well not really, maybe if you find it easy to make 10K, you can take some shots. Personally I find it a hefty amount and I would hate to flip for 10K.
I also think 10k is alot of money, I did play the ME 4times, and I have never had 4mill in bankroll, nor have I ever met someone who thought they needed to have a 400 BI roll to play the ME. This is a tourney played once a year, not an online sng you register for 10 times a day. People play the ME to take a shot, you don't need 4mill for that. Agree if your life roll is 10k it's a bad decision to play, but for people who really want to play the ME, they cant put those money aside from a normal salary within a year or two.

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Old 07-23-2012, 05:51 PM   #38
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I also think 10k is alot of money, I did play the ME 4times, and I have never had 4mill in bankroll, nor have I ever met someone who thought they needed to have a 400 BI roll to play the ME. This is a tourney played once a year, not an online sng you register for 10 times a day. People play the ME to take a shot, you don't need 4mill for that. Agree if your life roll is 10k it's a bad decision to play, but for people who really want to play the ME, they cant put those money aside from a normal salary within a year or two.
Yes put like this I tend to agree with you. To tell you the truth: I don't think I could play the ME and play the best possible way if I bought in for 10K and I had 100K to my name.

Thats just me, but if you can accept that "2 years of savings" or however long it took to save 10K. Is invested in the main event, is a solid investment and you can take the most +ev lines and discard the money. Then thats great.

Personally I would have to have won a satelite or been backed.
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Yes put like this I tend to agree with you. To tell you the truth: I don't think I could play the ME and play the best possible way if I bought in for 10K and I had 100K to my name.

Thats just me, but if you can accept that "2 years of savings" or however long it took to save 10K. Is invested in the main event, is a solid investment and you can take the most +ev lines and discard the money. Then thats great.

Personally I would have to have won a satelite or been backed.
You are missing the point. Playing the ME is not +EV for anyone. It's about taking that shot, making it big, be a star for 15min. Pro's who live of poker, doesn't consider ME a +EV tourney, that's not why they play it, they do it for the glory. The main field is made out of the "avarage man" who just considers this a fun and possibly awarding thing to do. They don't do it to make a living, they don't do it because it's a "smart" way to make your money grow. They do it because it's a fun experience they have 1'ce a year or maybe 1'ce in a live time. That's why ME is the "peoples tournament" not the pro grinder. It should stay that way IMO.

edit: busted before the money all times I played, I will still play it eventhough it's -----EV

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Old 07-23-2012, 06:01 PM   #40
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It's been said already...because of tradition.
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I think an add on can be nice to have in the ME, with no rebuys/reentries just to boost the prize pool. Feel free to disagree.
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You are missing the point. Playing the ME is not +EV for anyone. It's about taking that shot, making it big, be a star for 15min. Pro's who live of poker, doesn't consider ME a +EV tourney, that's not why they play it, they do it for the glory. The main field is made out of the "avarage man" who just considers this a fun and possibly awarding thing to do. They don't do it to make a living, they don't do because it's a "smart" way to make your money grow. They do it because it's a fun experience they have 1'ce a year or maybe 1'ce in a live time. That's why ME is the "peoples tournament" not the pro grinder. It should stay that way IMO.

edit: busted before the money all times I played, I will still play it eventhough it's -----EV
I understand and respect you position. Your considerations are well put.

I hope you go deep next ME!
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Old 07-23-2012, 06:08 PM   #43
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Alot of chances could be made. Like keep day one shootout means 90% of the field gets eliminated. Then day 2 play 8 handed day 3 6 handed day 4 4 handed. Iam pretty sure if you did it this way the final table would be very stacked with good players.
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they should make it 1/2 dance-off imo
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I understand and respect you position. Your considerations are well put.

I hope you go deep next ME!
Ty, so do I, but I probably wont.
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