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07-08-2014 , 10:03 PM
Kind of a shower thought. I feel there is a difference in actually understanding the game of poker and understanding the current meta. Obviously poker is evolving day by day and when new meta is created there will be players who understand it better than others.

I believe this may be a reason why it is so difficult for people to perfect their understanding of the game. We are all trying to understand the current meta instead.
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07-08-2014 , 10:15 PM
What if I understand one meta, but not another?
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07-08-2014 , 10:19 PM
i dont think they are mutually exclusive. i think great players are both fundamentally sound and understand the current meta
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07-08-2014 , 10:19 PM
That's what we call having leaks. :P
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07-08-2014 , 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Love_the_game
i dont think they are mutually exclusive. i think great players are both fundamentally sound and understand the current meta
Of course great players are. My point is that I think that there may be a good portion of good, respected players that excel in one or another and make money by excelling in that particular part of poker.
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07-08-2014 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by blakeatron
Kind of a shower thought. I feel there is a difference in actually understanding the game of poker and understanding the current meta. Obviously poker is evolving day by day and when new meta is created there will be players who understand it better than others.

I believe this may be a reason why it is so difficult for people to perfect their understanding of the game. We are all trying to understand the current meta instead.
This is what you think of in the shower ?

Seriously, you could stop at "poker is evolving" .....not sure what you mean by "current meta" versus "understanding of the game", if the game is evolving ?

Is "current meta" valid this hand, but not the next one ?
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07-08-2014 , 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Gzesh
This is what you think of in the shower ?

Seriously, you could stop at "poker is evolving" .....not sure what you mean by "current meta" versus "understanding of the game", if the game is evolving ?
No I didn't literally think of this in the shower -.-

Imo there is a perfect way to play poker that will result in making 0 mistakes (which nobody has figured out how to do and is what I mean by understanding the game).

We have developed solutions to some spots in which we deem "standard" because we believe at this time that this is the best way to make the least mistakes and the most money. Those who understand our current concepts of "standard" spots make a good, consistent winrate because they understand the meta better than their opponents. This doesn't mean they understand the game enough to make 0 mistakes and these "standard" spots that they know better than others may not be the most optimal options.
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07-08-2014 , 10:27 PM
what are you babbling about
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07-08-2014 , 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by blakeatron
No I didn't literally think of this in the shower -.-

Imo there is a perfect way to play poker that will result in making 0 mistakes (which nobody has figured out how to do and is what I mean by understanding the game).

We have developed solutions to some spots in which we deem "standard" because we believe at this time that this is the best way to make the least mistakes and the most money. Those who understand our current concepts of "standard" spots make a good, consistent winrate because they understand the meta better than their opponents. This doesn't mean they understand the game enough to make 0 mistakes and these "standard" spots that they know better than others may not be the most optimal options.
Sounds like just "being good at poker" to me.
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07-08-2014 , 11:07 PM
Did anyone else read OP and think it was written by one of those automated content bots?
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07-08-2014 , 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Donk Quixote
Sounds like just "being good at poker" to me.
I think this is too vague a description to describe good players.
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07-08-2014 , 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by blakeatron
No I didn't literally think of this in the shower -.-

Imo there is a perfect way to play poker that will result in making 0 mistakes (which nobody has figured out how to do and is what I mean by understanding the game).

We have developed solutions to some spots in which we deem "standard" because we believe at this time that this is the best way to make the least mistakes and the most money. Those who understand our current concepts of "standard" spots make a good, consistent winrate because they understand the meta better than their opponents. This doesn't mean they understand the game enough to make 0 mistakes and these "standard" spots that they know better than others may not be the most optimal options.
Let's say there was a perfect player who made 0 mistakes and was essentially meta incarnate. Now recall the famous hand from the One Drop where the gentleman folded quads face up. If that fold is only correct to make one out of a million times, would you say that Mr. Meta would find that fold given one million identical spots.
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07-08-2014 , 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by The Portlandian
Let's say there was a perfect player who made 0 mistakes and was essentially meta incarnate. Now recall the famous hand from the One Drop where the gentleman folded quads face up. If that fold is only correct to make one out of a million times, would you say that Mr. Meta would find that fold given one million identical spots.
One million is a lot of spots but if each one is identical with identical information I see no reason he would. Which just proves my point that knowing current meta =\= knowing the game at its core to the point of making 0 mistakes.

Are you saying you think that mr meta would randomly decide to fold one of those instances even though information is identical?
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07-08-2014 , 11:48 PM
r/showerthoughts is one of my fave subreddits


r/showerpokerthoughts?
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07-09-2014 , 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by blakeatron
Kind of a shower thought. I feel there is a difference in actually understanding the game of poker and understanding the current meta. Obviously poker is evolving day by day and when new meta is created there will be players who understand it better than others.

I believe this may be a reason why it is so difficult for people to perfect their understanding of the game. We are all trying to understand the current meta instead.
Donald Trump isn't the best at real estate or attracting beautiful women. But he gets the job done and that is all that matters. Could he do it all over again if he had to start from scratch? Probably not. So what? He is the big winner in life.
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07-09-2014 , 12:35 AM
wATS A META WITH YOU
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07-09-2014 , 12:42 AM
Meta World peace

I meta nice girl the other day...
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07-09-2014 , 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by blakeatron
Kind of a shower thought. I feel there is a difference in actually understanding the game of poker and understanding the current meta. Obviously poker is evolving day by day and when new meta is created there will be players who understand it better than others.

I believe this may be a reason why it is so difficult for people to perfect their understanding of the game. We are all trying to understand the current meta instead.
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07-09-2014 , 01:08 AM
Why do people purpusly use words that others might not understand and then don't say what it means? What does meta mean? It's awvious the majoraty of people won't know what it means. It's like those smart people that purpusly use the most smartest and uncommon words just to look smarter to others.
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07-09-2014 , 01:25 AM
I apologize. Meta = metagame. It is basically the term for the general strategy in playing poker (specifically no limit holdem ITT). Everything that is considered "standard" (i.e. Raising AA UTG/ folding 72o UTG) is part of the current "meta". It is whatever we as a community have deemed optimal strategy in hands.
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07-09-2014 , 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Vegan
Why do people purpusly use words that others might not understand and then don't say what it means? What does meta mean? It's awvious the majoraty of people won't know what it means. It's like those smart people that purpusly use the most smartest and uncommon words just to look smarter to others.
Meta = how good they play

In Poker there are # of levels that players get to in skill wise as they play and learn about the game.

Players being able to pick up on the "Meta" of that player at the table.
The ability to profit on the weakness that the certain players skill level is at has and all levels are different.
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07-09-2014 , 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by iosys
Meta = how good they play

In Poker there are # of levels that players get to in skill wise as they play and learn about the game.

Players being able to pick up on the "Meta" of that player at the table.
The ability to profit on the weakness that the certain players skill level is at has and all levels are different.
The levels they are on are just how well they understand current meta/what level of meta they put their opponents on. Metagame itself is the strategy that we see as standard or optimal
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07-09-2014 , 03:43 AM
Nvg gets worse everyday
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07-09-2014 , 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by iosys
Meta = how good they play

In Poker there are # of levels that players get to in skill wise as they play and learn about the game.

Players being able to pick up on the "Meta" of that player at the table.
The ability to profit on the weakness that the certain players skill level is at has and all levels are different.
well you failed at dictionary
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07-09-2014 , 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Big_Mick00
Nvg gets worse everyday
nah its a pretty steady pile of ****
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