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View Poll Results: Should financial teams be required to disclose when they are at the same table
yes
295 75.06%
no
98 24.94%

02-28-2015 , 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by macgyver72
I voted yes if only for the reason that players being backed to play games that they wouldn't be able to play on their own is bad for poker in general.
Why is that?
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02-28-2015 , 01:08 AM
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Originally Posted by CanadaPete
I don't know dont thibk bagging and tagging chips is that hard they put them in a cart and that's it lol. I'm always surprised at how fast the seat assignments for the next day are posted at wsop.
it wasnt always that way. its the result of a lot of hard work and many rule changes after chip scandals happened at different tourneys. the same will go for this obvious rule.
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02-28-2015 , 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by VP$IP
Really?
Really. It's not that hard.
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02-28-2015 , 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by wheelflush
Really. It's not that hard.
its ridiculously easy and obvious to the people who voted in the poll and the sane posters in this thread. its also a rule that has been floating around poker for a long time and was almost properly implemented in the EPL.

well drag the apologists and useful idiots along kicking and screaming into the future.
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02-28-2015 , 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by limon
it wasnt always that way. its the result of a lot of hard work and many rule changes after chip scandals happened at different tourneys. the same will go for this obvious rule.
This rule accomplishes nothing. Just would cause Rec players to think they are being cheated.
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02-28-2015 , 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by CanadaPete
This rule accomplishes nothing. Just would cause Rec players to think they are being cheated.
noted.
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02-28-2015 , 01:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Howard Beale
Why is that?
That whole, mythical, poker economy problem. The game only works when money is allowed to flow upward from the smaller stakes to the higher stakes. It's important for better players to occasionally have to drop down to lower stakes, where they should win, then take that money back up to the higher stakes until they reach a level they can't beat and lose to the players there, then drop back down and repeat. It keeps the money flowing upward.

It's just as important to have players beating the games for enough to move up as it is for there to be players to donate. Backing ensures more players that are of near equal skill levels stay in the same games. This is the when poker becomes as close to unbeatable as it can be and kills the game.

Off topic, I know.
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02-28-2015 , 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by limon
actually according to the poll and players, like ike, with a head on their shoulders my points scream loud on their merits. wise up.
So Ike is a proof source for you now? Why don't you ask him what he thinks of your online collusion theory? Remember where you said high stakes online games are full of people who collude and change their screen names every couple of weeks? Wonder if that is Ike's experience? He plays a ton of high stakes 6 max, he should know.

By the way Limon if disclosure is so important to you why not put up a disclosure board at your Bike game and ask players to disclose any financial relationships with players in your game?
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02-28-2015 , 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by CanadaPete
This rule accomplishes nothing. Just would cause Rec players to think they are being cheated.
A lot of them are. They deserve to know
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02-28-2015 , 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Nit Bag
So Ike is a proof source for you now? Why don't you ask him what he thinks of your online collusion theory? Remember where you said high stakes online games are full of people who collude and change their screen names every couple of weeks? Wonder if that is Ike's experience? He plays a ton of high stakes 6 max, he should know.

By the way Limon if disclosure is so important to you why not put up a disclosure board at your Bike game and ask players to disclose any financial relationships with players in your game?
collusion was rampant when i wrote that. party poker days. russ georgiev ran a team. i have no idea whats going on now, wouldnt want a team equity chopping me on shared bankroll in secret though like guy. chases big players away from games. gives poker a bad name.

IF I know any deals in my game I make them public, have done it many times. I will ask mgmt if they want to put up a disclosure board. but i know it will start in the controlled tournament environment and in big tournaments only at first.
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02-28-2015 , 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by limon
collusion was rampant when i wrote that. party poker days. russ georgiev ran a team. i have no idea whats going on now, wouldnt want a team equity chopping me on shared bankroll in secret though like guy. chases big players away from games. gives poker a bad name.

IF I know any deals in my game I make them public, have done it many times. I will ask mgmt if they want to put up a disclosure board. but i know it will start in the controlled tournament environment and in big tournaments only at first.
Collusion WAS rampant? You had a whole podcast saying it was still going on, do you retract that? Limon you have a paper trail that contridicts itself non stop. You know more than just about anyone on the inner workings of live casino cash game poker, why don't you stick to what you know?
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02-28-2015 , 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Nit Bag
Collusion WAS rampant? You had a whole podcast saying it was still going on, do you retract that? Limon you have a paper trail that contridicts itself non stop. You know more than just about anyone on the inner workings of live casino cash game poker, why don't you stick to what you know?
thanks for subscribing to the podcast! ill spend your money wisely, but youre dead wrong again.

in that podcast i was giving the reasons i moved back to live after party went down. so, you see, i was talking about the past.

and also lil bud, this entire thread IS about the inner workings of live poker. youre just trying to derail it. feeding you is a fun game for a while but now im gonna go feed myself a steak.
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02-28-2015 , 02:09 AM
Why don't you just create a website displaying all existing financial arrangements?

"If there is a violation the TD will investigate."

If I suspect players A and B have a staking arrangement, what would the TD do at that point to investigate?

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02-28-2015 , 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by limon
thanks for subscribing to the podcast! ill spend your money wisely, but youre dead wrong again.

in that podcast i was giving the reasons i moved back to live after party went down. so, you see, i was talking about the past.

and also lil bud, this entire thread IS about the inner workings of live poker. youre just trying to derail it. feeding you is a fun game for a while but now im gonna go feed myself a steak.
Don't you remember all the arguing you did just a few months back that online was full of collusion and there was no money to be made online? You said it wasn't because the players were better than you but that there was too much rampant cheating. You belittled anyone that disagreed with you, don't you remember that? It's all in your podcast and discussion boards. Remember your argument with Ike long ago about calling 3 bets on the button? Lol you were so wrong about that strat advice, no wonder you don't play online. Make sure you apologize to Ike for your rude and disrespectfull comments. But now that you hold Ike out as an expert why not ask him if an honest buck can be made online? Also you might want to ask him if the better poker players tend to concentrate in live cash or online?
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02-28-2015 , 02:17 AM
is this black and blue or white and gold
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02-28-2015 , 02:24 AM
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Originally Posted by mrabop
is this black and blue or white and gold
sort of a very light powdered blue and bronze.
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02-28-2015 , 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by ike
I'm not a lawyer, someone correct me if I'm wrong.
I checked on Wikipedia, you're definitely not a lawyer.
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02-28-2015 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by macgyver72
That whole, mythical, poker economy problem. The game only works when money is allowed to flow upward from the smaller stakes to the higher stakes. It's important for better players to occasionally have to drop down to lower stakes, where they should win, then take that money back up to the higher stakes until they reach a level they can't beat and lose to the players there, then drop back down and repeat. It keeps the money flowing upward.

It's just as important to have players beating the games for enough to move up as it is for there to be players to donate. Backing ensures more players that are of near equal skill levels stay in the same games. This is the when poker becomes as close to unbeatable as it can be and kills the game.

Off topic, I know.
because Ive hosted and propped many poker games public and private over the years poker economies fascinate me. I agree that backing, in its general form, is bad for the poker economy for many reasons.
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02-28-2015 , 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by j20s
If this is a real concern to anyone, it is more indicative of their shortcomings while playing that they are attempting to compensate for via excuses (read: they're cheating against me!)
It is very hard to cheat against Limon --he never plays a hand. For all his fake gregariousness Limon is an OMC -- Old Man Coffee.
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02-28-2015 , 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by bylaw
It is very hard to cheat against Limon --he never plays a hand. For all his fake gregariousness Limon is an OMC -- Old Man Coffee.
Man, if that isn't the most perfect title for an old nit. Stealing that one for sure.
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02-28-2015 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by limon
there may be. language is hazy. nothing is passed yet. whats your point? my point is clear. politicians can pass laws about gambling staking if they want to contrary to what many in this thread asserted. would you like to get back on topic?
You claimed that some bill "coming out of Nevada" was in line with your advocated policy goal itt about criminalizing poker staking.

The point is that your claim, i.e. that there is a bill "coming out of Nevada" to ban poker staking, was simply wrong when you made it, had been addressed very specifically in this forum before you made the claim.

I thought maybe I missed some Nevada bill, and asked for details. However, contrary to what you claim, you seem to be referring to a bill limited to sports messenger services.... there is no such bill about poker staking "coming out of Nevada".

You can keep referring to "hazy language", all you are doing now is hanging on to some dramatic "evidence" that Nevada supports your view, but you clearly are mistaken regarding SB40.

You were simply wrong, that's all. But go ahead and pretend, fabricate and exaggerate all you want to support the policy outcome you desire .... which may be typical of a sleazebag political hack, but not a respected, knowledgeable poster in NVG like you.

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02-28-2015 , 06:29 PM
People should stop bringing up irrelevant issues like whether this is enforceable or if legislators would possibly consider passing such a law when over 100 people have already voted for it in a poll.

How about starting off trying to get this implemented as a tournament rule, with violations resulting in disqualification, before moving on to legislation?
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02-28-2015 , 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by illdonk
People should stop bringing up irrelevant issues like whether this is enforceable or if legislators would possibly consider passing such a law when over 100 people have already voted for it in a poll.

How about starting off trying to get this implemented as a tournament rule, with violations resulting in disqualification, before moving on to legislation?
because these people are morons at best, involved in cheating at worst. The poll is clear. the posts from known players with half a brain are clear. You are right, now implementation is all we should be working on. As you said, big buy in tourneys will be the first step. Luckily I have access/friendships with many/most TDs, this is what I will be pushing for and encouraging others with any access to push for as well.
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02-28-2015 , 07:53 PM
So if I see Players A & B talking before the tournament and suspect that they have some sort of arrangement, then bring up my suspicions to the TD during the tournament when both are sitting with me, what specifically would the TD do at that point? Would the tournament be suspended while the TD investigates? What would the investigation consist of? If the arrangement is disclosed and I suspect that it is influencing the play one or both players, what would happen at that point?
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