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04-19-2017 , 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Singasong2222
Humans just have fill time 1) some do it by getting high and judged by others

2) Some go work every day have like 3 hours free time a day and only get free time when old

And not sure which is the more rewarding

My dad worked every dad of his life had I 3) wife that nagged him every day then died 43

4) Some people spend life chasing money

5) Some party till they look like death in there 30s

6) And every one judges and gossips about friends and family

7) Some go round getting laid and care free

8) Some just float to heaven when the rapture comes.
And poker players do all 8.
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04-19-2017 , 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Frankie Fuzz
Issues of free will aside, it is not true that the prevalence of all these maladies is due to a lack of agency. Take deaths due to Malaria for example. Many people simply don't have access to Malaria nets or lack the knowledge to use them. If a better world is one with less suffering, there is a lot we can do.
If they're dying from malaria but lack the ability, as a people, to make a ****ing malaria net, they lack agency.

"We must help them" is the tacitly accepted altruism-obligation that prosperous people from higher IQ nations claim exists towards lower IQ, less prosperous nations "because morality". It's bull****.



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I don't see much evidence for this. The world has not become a more horrifying place in the last 100 years despite using our "magical sciences to save everyone." In fact, it's a lot better place for most people. Population growth rates tend to slow as countries get richer. Surely it will slow in sub-saharan Africa as well, like it has in China. People have been worrying about the world becoming overpopulated since Thomas Malthus, but much of the concerns have been overblown.
Standard: Zero foresight and your reference for why is the past.
You're like one of those dudes buying $500,000 houses in Las Vegas in 2005, saying that everyone knows that real estate always goes up and there's no evidence anything will change.

If you don't instantly understand what happens to the earth (and to civil stability in many reasons) when there are literally billions of Africans, I cannot explain it to you, however if you live long to experience it, my guess is that your reasoning for why it's happening is because of 'oppression' or maybe 'colonialism'.
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04-19-2017 , 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by spewmachine
"You are a somewhat intelligent person. There are so many bad things happening in the world you shouldn't sink your intelligence and your attention into a game, but instead do something useful with it."
Then the question has to be asked, what do you mean by "useful"? Do you mean "useful" in traditional economic terms? Because if you do, the obvious counter-argument is that our economy facilitates a global military empire that is cancerous and destructive and results in the death and poverty of billions of people. Even absent the cog-in-the-wheel argument, how many jobs in our economy are not only useless, but counterproductive? If you work for the TSA, and your job is to waste taxpayer money, grope people at checkpoints, waste the time of travelers, and violate privacy, is that better than playing poker for a living? Is that more "useful"? I'd say no.

If you mean "useful" as in "useful" to society, like donating your time in soup kitchens or doing something truly beneficial to your fellow man, I'm sure very few people would disagree.

Unfortunately all too many times people who ask this question are talking about the former, rather than the latter.
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04-19-2017 , 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Frenbar
Then the question has to be asked, what do you mean by "useful"? Do you mean "useful" in traditional economic terms? Because if you do, the obvious counter-argument is that our economy facilitates a global military empire that is cancerous and destructive and results in the death and poverty of billions of people. Even absent the cog-in-the-wheel argument, how many jobs in our economy are not only useless, but counterproductive? If you work for the TSA, and your job is to waste taxpayer money, grope people at checkpoints, waste the time of travelers, and violate privacy, is that better than playing poker for a living? Is that more "useful"? I'd say no.

If you mean "useful" as in "useful" to society, like donating your time in soup kitchens or doing something truly beneficial to your fellow man, I'm sure very few people would disagree.

Unfortunately all too many times people who ask this question are talking about the former, rather than the latter.
useful is something that has a longterm value. ok, whats value then?

For me value has something to do with happiness, which is not only something you do to lift the spirits or to forget your problems, but finding to totaly inner freedom.

I think you cannot archieve this by just spending a ****load of money or by haveing enough games, good food, drugs and women to entertain you.

Not saying that these things are bad (not all drugs are created equal), but i think the connection to other beings you get by doing something that will spread and has a longterm effect, like art or certain knowledge or simply sustainable help is much more deeper than just some fun for a limited amount of time.

It might very well be that this deep happiness can just be experienced with other beings, not alone. I might be wrong here, but i cant remember being happy in the way described with just myself at least.

So doing something you are not paid for just to get this connection i described might be worth a try.
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