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View Poll Results: Do you love or hate the idea of unlimited reentry for 8 levels in a WPT10k
I love it 147 51.58%
I hate it 138 48.42%
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:18 PM   #1
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Unlimited reentry-8 levels-BellagioWPT 10k Love it or hate it ?

Wondering about Poker Community's thoughts on unlimited reentry for 8 levels in a 10k BI WPT event.

Do you like it....or hate it ?

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Old 12-03-2012, 05:20 PM   #2
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Re: Unlimited reentry-8 levels-BellagioWPT 10k

3-4 years ago i would have said it was a bad idea...now its borderline necessary
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:33 PM   #3
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Skews the field too dramatically. Deep pocket skilled players way more likely to rebuy than an amateur satty winner. Players may avoid sattys altogether knowing they'll have to face 4 or 5 doc sands and marchese s.
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:33 PM   #4
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Do polls not show up via the iPad app?
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:44 PM   #5
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Re: Unlimited reentry-8 levels-BellagioWPT 10k Love it or hate it ?

Everyone should be in favor of this. If a rich fish wants to increase his chances of winning by playing insane to run up a huge stack then he increases everyone else's EV.
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:47 PM   #6
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Do polls not show up via the iPad app?
No Allen, as someone who uses the app most of the time on both iphone and ipad i havent taken a poll in quite some time #faileddemocracy
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:52 PM   #7
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Re: Unlimited reentry-8 levels-BellagioWPT 10k Love it or hate it ?

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Wondering about Poker Community's thoughts on unlimited reentry for 8 levels in a 10k BI WPT event.

Do you like it....or hate it ?

shows 1)how great the Bellagio and its tournaments have fallen and 2)imo ruins the tournament

If I won a seat to the event I would be much more inclined to sell it rather than play because it favors the deep bankrolled player.

I mean, if I'm Daniel Negreanu who can throw 10 re-entries into this thing like it's a $340 buy-in - he can gamble much much more than someone who can't afford even 1 re-entry. Remember, this is a $10,000 buy-in event, not exactly peanuts.

Except for the WSOP, 10K events are few and far between and to make this an 8 level re-entry tournament(at the last minute,lol) is a joke!!!
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:57 PM   #8
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Re: Unlimited reentry-8 levels-BellagioWPT 10k Love it or hate it ?

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shows 1)how great the Bellagio and its tournaments have fallen and 2)imo ruins the tournament

If I won a seat to the event I would be much more inclined to sell it rather than play because it favors the deep bankrolled player.

I mean, if I'm Daniel Negreanu who can throw 10 re-entries into this thing like it's a $340 buy-in - he can gamble much much more than someone who can't afford even 1 re-entry. Remember, this is a $10,000 buy-in event, not exactly peanuts.

Except for the WSOP, 10K events are few and far between and to make this an 8 level re-entry tournament(at the last minute,lol) is a joke!!!
Isn't the goal to make money? Who cares about winning? If it makes people play worse you should want it.
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Old 12-03-2012, 06:16 PM   #9
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Re: Unlimited reentry-8 levels-BellagioWPT 10k Love it or hate it ?

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Isn't the goal to make money? Who cares about winning? If it makes people play worse you should want it.
Wait, um isn't the goal to actually win the tournament???

If you won a seat or can only afford 1 buy-in, how does this give you any kind of edge against the player who shoves in consistently with a flush draw, straight draw, etc..? You might be ahead let's say with a flopped 2 pair or something but people like Negreanu will make you play for your whole tournament over and over again.

Just my opinion but I think what the Bellagio is doing really sucks.
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Old 12-03-2012, 06:16 PM   #10
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Re: Unlimited reentry-8 levels-BellagioWPT 10k Love it or hate it ?

oh no. this will really tarnish the sanctity of the WPT.
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Old 12-03-2012, 06:19 PM   #11
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Re: Unlimited reentry-8 levels-BellagioWPT 10k Love it or hate it ?

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Wait, um isn't the goal to actually win the tournament???

If you won a seat or can only afford 1 buy-in, how does this give you any kind of edge against the player who shoves in consistently with a flush draw, straight draw, etc..? You might be ahead let's say with a flopped 2 pair or something but people like Negreanu will make you play for your whole tournament over and over again.

Just my opinion but I think what the Bellagio is doing really sucks.
Yes, I would want to get it in with 65% equity again and again and again.
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Old 12-03-2012, 06:23 PM   #12
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Yes, I would want to get it in with 65% equity again and again and again.
You're not that much of a favorite and all it takes is 1 flush/straight draw to hit and you're knocked out and can't afford to put up another $10,000. Maybe you always win as a 60/65% favorite but I know I don't.
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Old 12-03-2012, 06:34 PM   #13
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Re: Unlimited reentry-8 levels-BellagioWPT 10k Love it or hate it ?

psumike, your argument might make intuitive sense but you're wrong.

if people play looser and are willing to get it in worse, your ev of the tournament can only increase, it could never decrease. there is no way your roi can be negatively affected by more players making more mistakes - even if they can buy in multiple times.

put it this way. let's say i have 2 betting units and my friend has 300. he gives me 55/45 odds in infinite coin tosses (we play until one of us goes broke). let's say we play this game multiple times. even though my friend will have way more winning sessions than i will (i will lose 2 betting units way more times than he will lose 300), my winning sessions will be way bigger than his and in the long run, if we play this game infinite times, i will come out way way ahead. this is why martingale strategy doesn't work.
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Old 12-03-2012, 06:36 PM   #14
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Playing small edges for huge money increases variance and risk of ruin
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Old 12-03-2012, 06:42 PM   #15
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Re: Unlimited reentry-8 levels-BellagioWPT 10k Love it or hate it ?

I think it is a few levels too many. 5 levels is probably the right amount given the current Bellagio structure
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