It has been almost 6 months since either UltimateBet or the KGC has issued any statements. Attention needs to brought to the fact that both Ultimatebet and The Kahnawake Gaming Commission (KGC) still have some unresolved obligations to those cheated. Now that the refunds are complete and the 60 minutes story aired, it is back to business for UB and AP. For many this saga is over and that is exactly what these crooks want. If you have some free time please send a message to either KGC and UB (contact info. Provided below) and ask for a final resolution in this matter.

Ask that they publicly release a complete list of all 88 cheating names and that all Hand Histories mailed to the affected players. Below are the last statements made by the KGC, please judge for yourself if they are holding true to what they have said.


Report Admo referring to starts on page 146

On November 5, 2008 The The KGC Issued A Statement announcing the UB was beginning to finish refunding the remaining $15 Million to cheated UB players.
Approximately 6 months have passed and the KGC has not issued any type of final statement regarding the investigation. The KGC has named Russ Hamilton as the main cheater, but has not filed any charges in the cheating case or released any evidence showing why Russ is guilty. No other cheaters are named, even though it is unlikely Russ had the computer skills necessary to install this software to see hole cards. 88 cheating accounts were said to have existed, but only those first named on 2+2 have been released.

On November 25, 2008 a Thread was started on 2+2 about UltimateBet refusing to release the complete superuser list.
In the thread Ultimatebet promises that a statement will be made in the upcoming days. Still nothing has be released. Ultimatebet has not made any updates about the cheating scandal to the News section of their homepage on the matter since November 5, 2008. When Phil Hellmuth was awarded the wrong pot due to a software glitch, Paul Leggett COO, made updates through his blog, not the news section, and the KGC certainly was not involved in the matter.

The last official statement from the KGC came on December 1, 2008 and was a Clarification To the 60 Minutes Story. Clarification To the 60 Minutes Story
Please help bring attention to the fact the both the KGC and UB are being silent and seemingly have no intentions on acting on this matter anymore. Atleast push for all 88 cheating names released as well as all Hand Histories mailed to those affected. Here are the contacts found on various KGC websites, UB websites, and 2+2

1. Murray Marshall Senior Advisor, Kahnawa:ke Gaming Commission murray.marshall@mck.ca

2. Chuck Barnett Board of Supervisors, Mohawk Internet Technologies.
chuck@mohawk.ca He is also a 2+2 member
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/114613/

3. Kahawake Gaming Commission Email: kgc@mck.ca

4. Anna Molley, Vice President for Corporate and Community Affairs -Tokwiro - anna.molley@tokwiro.com

5. Frank Catania - Independent Investigator for The KGC. President, former Assistant Attorney General, Director NJ Division of Gaming Enforcement, VP Compliance Players International. frank@cataniaconsulting.com

6. support@ultimatebet.com

7. pokersecurity@ultimatebet.com Phone (1.888.200.2933).

Question: Is it possible they can't release said statement due to possible ongoing legal issues with Hamilton? Perhaps they said they would release more info only to have their legal team say to keep quiet to not tip their hand in any future legal filings? But they could at the very least say we won't comment at this time due to future legal issues.

Do you really think a legal team and KGC going after Russ Hamilton?

I am just going on how UB operates. May 29, 2008, UB released This Statement

Almost everything that was said in this statement was latter to be proven false.

Later UB Announces 19 player accounts and 88 screenames. All of the above superuser accounts were discovered on 2+2 well before March

UltimateBet, In a statement found below, Now realized that this timeframe was incorrect. How did they come to this date? How did they miss all the other cheating?

Refund process begin Immediately in May but not conclude until November, after money was received from a lawsuit

Looks like all the close work with the KGC and Expert Audiotrs, many accounts were overlooked, many more superusers overlooked, and the cheating went back further than all these originally thought

So what happened between May29 and June 5? When this statement was released many people on 2+2 as well across the poker community did not fully believe what UB said on the 29th. Also Brainwashdodo begins to post on 2+2, he is a UB insider. June 5, 2008 UltimateBet had to release Another Statement

Well the Deadline passed, but UB eventually made good with another statement, With Additional Usernames, Cheating Dates back Further Than Thought
Looking at Brainwashdodo's screenshots of UB computers, It appears relatively easy to look at an account and get info. Such as transfer histories, additional screenames, and account name changes. Why was it so hard for UB?

UltimateBet Concludes Investigation
Not all of these have been released
The entire time UB has been responding to what 2+2 has uncovered and continued to admit as little as possible. Then only after they have been exposed, they just lie some more. Amazing that people accept the fact that One account was used to view hole card, probably Russ Hamilton, but surely he did not install this software, or write it. His name was released b/c Nat was able to tie his property to superuser accounts. He could be a fall guy, after all his was guilty the minute Nat made that post.

and its totally pathetic people have problems with poker sites and the first thing they do is make a topic on 2p2.

They think because they are a member of 2p2 they deserve extra attention from poker sites. its like all the idiots in the internet poker forum saying 'ZOMG FTP LOCKED MY ACCOUNT'. THEREFORE FIRST THING THEY DO IS POST BOUT IT ON 2P2 and email ftp saying '2p2 will be infomred about all this'. tilts me so much.

if you feel strongly about UB situation then do something about it, same for all of you idiots

I have tried to approach UB first, then "appropriate legal channels" would be the KGC, since they take complaints on sites. I have not hear anything from either of these entities. Looking at most of 2+2, UB has ignored HH requests for very long, but at the very least November. I would imagine in 5 months that could be accomplished.

I post here b/c there is a Sticky on the UB Scandal. I post here b/c the majority of 2+2 is familiar with this situation and could come update if they ever hear anything.

Not sure why you call this BS, or even bother to post if you do not care.

Why call everyone idiots? I do feel strongly, and this is what I am doing. I was glad Kevmath used my work for the UB Sticky. Posting on 2+2 is a start. Please if you are not going to help, do not post.

They ARE trying to do something about it you ****. If it weren't for 2+2, your sorry ass would still be raped raw by UB/AB with your money.

No

GTFO you waste of sperm.

Mookman has made many posts regarding the issue. Also, Ultimate Bet has said that they would release the 88 names of people who were linked to superusers, which hasn't happened.

it is because of people like Mookman who has stayed vigilant to the cause that these concerns were even raised in the first place. If you disagree with what he says, then stay the f out of the thread.

if the UB scandal hadnt been posted on 2+2 first, UB wouldve gotten away with stealing $20 million, and the players wouldve gotten ****ed. maybe you're the idiot

Thanks.

I was hoping someone much more well written than I, could write an email to Ultimatebet and The KGC requesting the 88 screenames and that HH's be mailed out. Then post the email here so it can be copy-and-pasted and sent to all the email addresses above. The idea being that eventually if enough emails are received, then maybe another statement would be made. I will work on an email just in case.

Anybody that was cheated on UB that requested HH's, did you ever get them? To the OP of the "UB Refuses to Provide Superuser List" since they told you the upcoming days an announcement would be made, have you received any emails?

Thanks for any help anyone has on this subject.

It's good to see that you are still on top of this, Mook. UB are clearly waiting for everybody to forget about it all so that it goes away. That list of superuser account names and the HHs should be released by now. It's a disgrace.

Thx Ooda.

I am going to try to make an email list that is easy to copy and paste. These are all contacts at either The KGC, UB, or Tokwiro. Now you can compose an email an copy an paste the names below to send at once.

pokersecurity@ultimatebet.com, support@ultimatebet.com, frank@cataniaconsulting.com, anna.molley@tokwiro.com, kgc@mck.ca, chuck@mohawk.ca, murray.marshall@mck.ca

Dear Interested Parties In The Ultimatebet Cheating Scandal,

It has been around 6 months since the investigation has been completed and refunds issued. Well over a year since news first broke on 2+2. There are still many unresolved issues. The seemingly easiest to take care of with out having to worry about legal recourse would be to finish email the Hand Histories to the cheated players. Also to issue a complete list of all 88 cheating account names. Several of these account names have already been made public, either by 2+2 or UB. Why not release the rest of the names?

The KGC said it was going to issue a final statement. The last statement made was merely a comment on the 60 minutes piece. Why the silence again now? Also, since Ultimatebet has completed its investigation and won the lawsuit versus Excapsa, why hasn't the KGC been involved in the Hand History process, showing all 88 superusernames, and helping players with concerns. If Mr. Uri, UB software guy, Excapsa Shareholder, and Independent refund adjuster completed his job. He issued EVERY PLAYER a refund versus EVERY SUPERUSER. Both of the factors are known, thus he must have had access to ALL THE HAND HISTORIES AND ALL THE SUPERUSERS. Why couldn't the files he used, be used the last 6 months to get copies to players. I have no idea how long getting HH's would take but this seems like a long time. A VERY long time to just list 88 accounts, when some players have said to have seen the list from Mr. Paul Leggett.

Thanks For Your Time and Urgency on This Matter

I ask everyone to either copy and paste my email, or write your own. Either way please email, post, write and Keep the heat on UB and the Crooks.


Whew long day--Roor time, thanks for listening all

You're an idiot. The entire ****ing reason superusers were even discovered was because of a group of 2+2ers, and some people who went out on a limb and made threads saying I think something is wrong.

haha I just read the rest of the thread and saw that people were already all over it. Well done boys.

Great job Mookman, its good to see that someone still cares (unlike most of the people on here who STILL PLAY on these crooked sites) about that mess and how they got off that easy.

It is my greatest wish for all of the idiots that still play on there to get royally screwed in the azz by that site one way or another. They deserve it.

I'll get at least one email sent off in the next day or two, Mook.

moron: go back to p5s plz.

mookman: thanks for this thread.

There are two main problems
1. UB won't release the remaining names even though they have stated they will many times.
2. They won't give players there hh.

There are many players that are unsatisfied with their refunds but have no hh to check the refund, or have hh but don't have all the names. This makes it impossible to check their refunds and they have lied so much in the past and present it's hard to believe anything they say.

I have called ub security dept and the people answering the phones are scared for their jobs to even acknowlege what I am saying let alone answer any questions.

While it was a different scandal AP never refunded the money that was stolen from me, never provded me with back up hh's requested and never even responded to my repeated emails about it either. I finally gave up because it is probably only about $1000.

there is probably a lot of super users yet to be found and money yet to be refunded on ap as well.

Looking through some of my old notes and noticed something. Just interesting, to me I guess. This person Anna Molley seems to have been involved in both scandals, A VP in something-or-other for AP and Tokwiro, well one in the same. She must have some input on this.

Anna Molley, Vice President for Corporate and Community Affairs -Tokwiro - anna.molley@tokwiro.com
Tokwiro Contact Page

Anna Molley, Vice President, Public and Community Relations
press@absolutepoker.com
January 11th, 2008 – Absolute Poker Responds to KGC Conclusion and Sanctions of cheating Investigation
Absoulte Detectives

Many HH's were admitted to be deleted, this was in the KGC's final report. That coverup went over a little more smoothly at AP. Then when chit really hit the fan, they just deleted stuff and got away with it.

Email sent. Thanks Mookman, great work. I appreciate that you made it easy too.

Everyone who has played at UB should do the same. It took literally 1 minute.

Most of this is a post I found back In July, on a different forum, about Joe Norton, the KGC, and confusing ownership structure, and possibly why nothing has happened. I know its a littlle tl;dr (Lost the link, sorry)

Nobody will ever get their money back, and UB and AP will never say anything about it, as they do not want to be held lible from any information released and do not want to be subject to (more) slander from the poker community. The casino isn't responsible for your money, you put it at risk, it's a poker game, this isn't starcraft kids. If you think a guy playing 60/40 is ridiculously good, quit and save yourself the destruction of your bankroll by way of collusion. That is after all the best way to protect yourself from cheaters, just quit. I see some of these HH lists that ppl are playing vs suspicious players, and some sit for 500+ hands and watch their money go bye bye.