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Pokeraddict 08-30-2010 07:36 PM

Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
I was writing a blog post about Ultimatebet.com now forwarding away from UB.com and to a domain depositbonus.com. When I was checking this site I noticed that a lot of the content looked familiar. I used to work at Bonuswhores.com, which is now Pokerbonuses.com. I started copying and pasting content into Google and sure enough their content matched word for word. For example:

http://www.depositbonus.com/cake-poker-review/

"In addition to the sign-up bonus, players will also receive 33% rakeback through PokerBonuses."

They didn't even change "PokerBonuses" to their own site. You will see the exact line here:

http://www.pokerbonuses.com/cake-poker

In fact the entire page is almost word for word.

Note their reload bonus feed is exactly the same:

http://www.depositbonus.com/updated-bonuses/

http://www.pokerbonuses.com/bonusfeed.php

Also note they didn't bother to even use their own bonus codes:

http://www.depositbonus.com/sign-up-bonuses-for-the-us/

http://www.pokerbonuses.com/

In a hurry this site was thrown together for one reason or another. I'm not going to speculate why. They did almost a complete copy/paste of Pokerbonuses.com. I know for a fact they did not have consent. Using duplicate content, especially without using your own bonus codes in completely pointless unless one just wanted to capitalize off of the traffic being pointed to that domain using your own links. Note neither AP or UB are promoted there even though Ultimatebet.com forwards to it.

The site has been notified and changes are already being made but what are they up to? I have a bunch of screenshots as well in case it changes and there are any questions later.

mersenneary 08-30-2010 07:45 PM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
heh.

IPlayDonkaments 08-30-2010 07:50 PM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
yet another reminder you shouldn't play at Cereus network

AdamSmall 08-30-2010 08:10 PM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
Hello all,

As a representative of the company that owns PokerBonuses.com (formerly BonusWhores.com), I'm simply posting to confirm that we are not in any way associated with this website. Ever since we saw their duplicate content earlier today, we've been working nonstop to ensure that it is taken down. That appears to be happening now...

Gullanian 08-30-2010 08:23 PM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
http://www.ip-adress.com/reverse_ip/66.212.244.162

This site is also hosted on Cereus servers apparently:
http://trustservicesltd.com/

Funny name for a business considering they are incredibly corrupt :) One to avoid I guess.

Lots of other bonus domains that take you straight to UB.com

http://www.domaintools.com/reverse-i...positbonus.com
100kprobounty.com
21bet.biz
21bet.cc

Over 1,000 more apparently lol

ElevenGrover 08-30-2010 08:24 PM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
Yet ub.com still goes to the poker site. Before long, you won't even remember that the current UB use to be that shady insider cheating hack site UltimateBet just like you don't remember Accenture use to be Andersen Consulting part of Enron cronies Arthur Andersen. I just commented to somebody today that there are over 1000 domains belonging to Cereus which all point to the primary cereus IP address. From there, they are steered to various sites; many of them currently to depositbonus.com. Couple examples below:

classicub.net
oldschoolpoker.net

edit: I was using Robtex the other day and there were only a couple hundred. Seems like they might be in the process of buying up a bunch of domain names for whatever plan they are cooking up. BTW, Trust Services seems to be the arm which is currently overseeing fraud monitoring. Nolan Bolusan works for Trust Services in his role as fraud monitor. His Linked In page used to say:

Costa Rica - Fraud & Risk Manager at Trust Services Ltd June 2007 - Present ( 3 years )
Previous
•Security Analyst Supervisor at MultiPlay May 2004 - June 2007 ( 3 years 2 months )

MultiPlay was another sub company used by UltimateBet/Excapsa. He wiped his page when his name was outed here before.

obviously.bogus 08-30-2010 08:40 PM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
The depositbonus.com/pokerbonuses.com/Bonuswhores.com duplicate content/codes is curious, but nowhere near as interesting as ...

How TF did UltimateBet/UB allow Ultimatebet.com to be forwarded to anywhere but UB.com????

EGarrett 08-30-2010 09:39 PM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
So what does this mean? Ultimatebet no longer exists? They just disappeared from the face of the Earth? Or did they get hacked? I'm confused.

Kevmath 08-30-2010 09:48 PM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
UB is still around, it appears they're just ditching the Ultimate Bet brand.

roueful 08-30-2010 09:50 PM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
Check the content on this page xxhttp://www.depositbonus.com/become-an-online-poker-affiliate/

That appears to be ripped from http://www.onlinepokeraffiliate.org/

LOL Cereusly

R*R 08-30-2010 09:59 PM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
Wow that is one of the weirdest redirects I have ever seen.
I don't get the benefit to UltimateBet as the site promos several poker
sites other than UB. Then I can't imagine Cereus letting go of the www.ultimatebet.com.
So is it them. Is it a rogue? Did they let the url go? So weird.

Maybe more research is needed. whois etc...

I mean this really is crazy and the content theft is one of the worst things
possible on the www.
Content theft really pisses me off.

Kevmath 08-30-2010 10:15 PM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
From twitter.com/UB:

Quote:

was recently acquired by Blanca Games. The ultimatebet.com domain name was not included in the transaction. Only UB.com now.
The WHOIS for ultimatebet.com:

Quote:

Registrant:
Game Theory
Vincenti Buildings Suite 296
Valletta, Valletta VLT08
Malta

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: ULTIMATEBET.COM
Created on: 14-Apr-99
Expires on: 14-Apr-16
Last Updated on: 12-Feb-07

Administrative Contact:
Registration, IT itreg@ultimatebet.com
Game Theory
Vincenti Buildings Suite 296
Valletta, Valletta VLT08
Malta
23260000 Fax --

Sub-Zer0118 08-30-2010 10:20 PM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
This is very weird. If there company is just "UB" now what will that stand for? Nothing? Whaa? Interesting.

R*R 08-30-2010 10:25 PM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
Wow. They are going to be getting a ton of hits too.
Any link on the many poker websites and afiliate websites on the web not
changed from www.ultimatebet.com to www.ub.com will likely go there.

Great redirect for someone. But who the hell is it?
They have this redirect which could mean loads of cash and they can't even
afford thier own content writers. This whole thing is sick and somewhat facinating at the same time.

PS: I hope some of the great 2p2 researchers have a look at this.

R*R 08-30-2010 10:30 PM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
PA can u PM your blog name.

Pokeraddict 08-30-2010 11:05 PM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
It looks like they removed all of the scraped content they took off of Pokerbonuses.com. Now it is content taken off of other sites. Maybe they got permission, maybe they own the other sites as well although the whois doesn't show that is the case.

http://www.depositbonus.com/full-tilt-poker-review/

http://saltydogpoker.com/pb/wp_e2fa2..._e2fa2f57.html

Those pages both have the same content.

http://www.depositbonus.com/cake-poker-review/

http://www.pokercritic.com/review.php?rid=57

Those aren't the only ones. Instead of scraping one site's entire content it looks like they took a page from several different site's content. Of course maybe they got permission or they own these other sites. If that is the case one has to wonder why they scraped content the first time around though.

obviously.bogus 08-30-2010 11:29 PM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevmath (Post 21247446)
From twitter.com/UB:
Quote:

was recently acquired by Blanca Games. The ultimatebet.com domain name was not included in the transaction. Only UB.com now.

I guess this answers my previous question. Blanca Games should have acquired ultimatebet.com (and common misspellings thereof) as part of their deal. The fact that they apparently didn't, doesn't bode well for them resurrecting the reputation of UB/AP. (Not that the two things are related, but if they're not competent enough to preserve a long established trade name, whats the chances of them doing the right thing?)

ElevenGrover 08-30-2010 11:36 PM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
When Blast Off and Excapsa settled the claim, one of the contingents was 375k for an undivided interest in the software back to Excapsa. In the verbiage was this:

"In this Assignment; (i) the term “Software” means the online gaming software indirectly transferred by way of the sale of the shares of GTHL by the Seller to the Buyer pursuant to the Sale Documents and now owned by the Assignor and currently used at the domain names Ultimatebet.com, Ultimateblackjack.com and Ultimatepoker.com (the “Websites”)"

Why the URLs are pointing at a poorly done and somewhat hostile affiliate page is unclear though.

also in that Assignment agreement, the Assignor is Game Theory Ltd as expected, but the Assignee is whited out. It does say it is a corporation established in the British Virgin Islands though. This agreement was done in Oct/2008.

jtvjon 08-30-2010 11:53 PM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sub-Zer0118 (Post 21247529)
This is very weird. If there company is just "UB" now what will that stand for? Nothing? Whaa? Interesting.

Ultimate Burglars.

Pokeraddict 08-30-2010 11:54 PM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by obviously.bogus (Post 21248705)
I guess this answers my previous question. Blanca Games should have acquired ultimatebet.com (and common misspellings thereof) as part of their deal. The fact that they apparently didn't, doesn't bode well for them resurrecting the reputation of UB/AP. (Not that the two things are related, but if they're not competent enough to preserve a long established trade name, whats the chances of them doing the right thing?)

Blanca Games didn't even buy their .net or anything similar like blancagame.com. I blogged about that Friday and not long after someone else scooped them up. They also only registered their domain for 1 year.

When I launched my online poker business in 2004 I knew very little about internet marketing but I knew to register my domains for a long time and buy anything similar. I don't know what to read into the fact this group didn't do that.

ElevenGrover 08-31-2010 12:00 AM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
I'm surprised they aren't pointing to spotlightpoker.com but then maybe spotlight isn't ready to handle the traffic...

ElevenGrover 08-31-2010 12:16 AM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
Here is a little more about the software transfer which included the domain ultimatebet.com.

"Shareholders will recall that Excapsa (through its subsidiary, Aspacxe Holdings, Inc. (“Aspacxe”) acquired an ownership interest in all of the gaming software in November 2008. Since that time, Aspacxe has been working closely with RealTime Edge Software Inc. (“RTE”), a Toronto-based software development and maintenance company, on commercial opportunities to exploit the software. RTE is run by Mr. Uri Kozai who was VP of Development for Excapsa at the time of the sale in October 2006.

In order to be in a position to market the blackjack software, it was necessary to obtain a license for the “Elimination Blackjack” game rules developed by Centaurus Games (previously Ultimate Blackjack Tour). Earlier this year, Aspacxe obtained this license from Centaurus Games on a perpetual and royalty-free basis."

The last part is Russ Hamilton; at least in terms of royalties. Whether he gave up the rights under duress or for money is not part of the documents. Russ holds the patent on the game AFAIK, though the company is run by his friends and I believe Carolyn Heick worked there for a while; maybe still does.

obviously.bogus 08-31-2010 12:34 AM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
ElevenGrover,

This is hallacomplicated, and I'm probably way behind, but would a reasonable explanation be that the people that sold to Blanca Games knew that they couldn't sell "UlitmateBet.com", so they did their best to change the "brand" and internet address to UB.com to transfer value from what they could not sell ("UlitmateBet.com") to what they could ("UB.com")?

(Sorry if I'm so far behind that this is either completely wrong or completely obvious, or anything in between equally wrong)

RexTheDog 08-31-2010 12:42 AM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevmath (Post 21246933)
UB is still around, it appears they're just ditching the Ultimate Bet brand.

How in the world can they ditch the Ultimate Bet "brand" when UB stands for ...........................you guessed it Ultimate Bet?

Karamazov 08-31-2010 12:45 AM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by obviously.bogus (Post 21249718)
ElevenGrover,

This is hallacomplicated, and I'm probably way behind, but would a reasonable explanation be that the people that sold to Blanca Games knew that they couldn't sell "UlitmateBet.com", so they did their best to change the "brand" and internet address to UB.com to transfer value from what they could not sell ("UlitmateBet.com") to what they could ("UB.com")?

(Sorry if I'm so far behind that this is either completely wrong or completely obvious, or anything in between equally wrong)

This was the impression I got, but to be honest I didn't spend a long time trying to figure it all out.

Pokeraddict 08-31-2010 12:45 AM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by obviously.bogus (Post 21249718)
ElevenGrover,

This is hallacomplicated, and I'm probably way behind, but would a reasonable explanation be that the people that sold to Blanca Games knew that they couldn't sell "UlitmateBet.com", so they did their best to change the "brand" and internet address to UB.com to transfer value from what they could not sell ("UlitmateBet.com") to what they could ("UB.com")?

(Sorry if I'm so far behind that this is either completely wrong or completely obvious, or anything in between equally wrong)

It's reasonable to believe that you are on the right track.

ElevenGrover 08-31-2010 12:49 AM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
Maybe.

I just put up a new blog post with the two full key clauses of the Software Assignation. Blast Off and the brand haven't been growing over the past year and a half. The economy, the security vulnerability, the 2+2 dogs worrying the UB bone. Its possible they sold it off to Gordon and Blast Off/Tokwiro/Cereus/Matloubi/BurgerKing/Jose Bok washed their hands of owning a poker business leaving Excapsa shareholders working to get value out of the software/domains/etc. We will know sometime in the future because the liquidator will have to report any payoff or Assignation of the promissory notes which are still around $100M and I believe a crap-ton of interest.

I'm still of a mind that the sale to Blanca is more a show-sale to get access to the UK ad markets and to distance themselves further from the scandal but we don't have proof yet.

ElevenGrover 08-31-2010 01:29 AM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
Also, ultimatebet.com is on the list of 141 names seized by Kentucky. That case is awaiting a decision by the Kentucky Supreme Court and if the state prevails, the domain would be taken over and probably point at something society finds useful like single tooth brushing procedures. UB.com is not on the list.

OnWithTheShow 08-31-2010 01:35 AM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive

NoahSD 08-31-2010 01:41 AM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
OP, if you still know anyone at bonuswhores/pokerbonuses, you should suggest that they sue.

Make sure that one of the many web sites that archives sites has the content up. Otherwise you should make sure to save the content of the current site.

wiggum 08-31-2010 02:52 AM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
Quote:

%nslookup ultimatebet.com
Non-authoritative answer:
Name: ultimatebet.com
Address: 66.212.244.148

%whois 66.212.244.148

Mohawk Internet Technologies MIT-BLK-01 (NET-66-212-224-0-1) 66.212.224.0 - 66.212.255.255
Absolute Entertainment S.A. MIT-ABPOK-02 (NET-66-212-244-128-1) 66.212.244.128 - 66.212.244.255
ultimatebet.com is still hosted at MIT, not a big surprise.

As others have noted, ultimatebet.com redirects to depositbonus.com.
Quote:

%nslookup depositbonus.com
Non-authoritative answer:
Name: depositbonus.com
Address: 66.212.244.162

%whois 66.212.244.162

Mohawk Internet Technologies MIT-BLK-01 (NET-66-212-224-0-1) 66.212.224.0 - 66.212.255.255
Absolute Entertainment S.A. MIT-ABPOK-02 (NET-66-212-244-128-1) 66.212.244.128 - 66.212.244.255
depositbonus.com hosted at MIT on Cereus' block of IPs.

AP is still on Cereus' block of IPs and doesn't redirect.

Quote:

%nslookup absolutepoker.com
Non-authoritative answer:
Name: absolutepoker.com
Address: 66.212.244.175

%whois 66.212.244.175

Mohawk Internet Technologies MIT-BLK-01 (NET-66-212-224-0-1) 66.212.224.0 - 66.212.255.255
Absolute Entertainment S.A. MIT-ABPOK-02 (NET-66-212-244-128-1) 66.212.244.128 - 66.212.244.255

R*R 08-31-2010 03:08 AM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
According to Alexa 100% of the sites traffic is from Costa Rica

Torqued Up 08-31-2010 03:32 AM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
idiots must work for this site seriously. hellmuth is a good example but cereusly when will this site ever learn. they should have just ditched the UltimateBet brand compeletly and started a completely new site

Gullanian 08-31-2010 04:43 AM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by R*R (Post 21251367)
According to Alexa 100% of the sites traffic is from Costa Rica

When you learn about how Alexa works, you will quickly learn that most numbers derived from it, especially micro numbers, are largely meaningless.

WEC 08-31-2010 04:59 AM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Torqued Up (Post 21251560)
idiots must work for this site seriously. hellmuth is a good example but cereusly when will this site ever learn. they should have just ditched the UltimateBet brand compeletly and started a completely new site

you mean start a site like many of these meaningless, low volume new sites? But forget trying to resurrect the 3rd largest Poker Site in North America? I would take a swing at building on an already large player platform no matter how flawed as long as it was still moving along.


Quote:

Originally Posted by R*R (Post 21247626)
Wow. They are going to be getting a ton of hits too.
Any link on the many poker websites and afiliate websites on the web not
changed from www.ultimatebet.com to www.ub.com will likely go there.

Yeah, they sent many emails over the last month or more for affiliates to change any ultimatebet.com links, including an email in last few days that the links needed to be changed within 24 hours.

wamplerr 08-31-2010 10:51 AM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamSmall (Post 21244911)
Hello all,

As a representative of the company that owns PokerBonuses.com (formerly BonusWhores.com), I'm simply posting to confirm that we are not in any way associated with this website. Ever since we saw their duplicate content earlier today, we've been working nonstop to ensure that it is taken down. That appears to be happening now...


I've never played the affiliate game, but given that they left up the wrong bonus codes as well, isn't basic strategy here to hope they leave it up as long as possible?

Lethal Bizzle 08-31-2010 12:38 PM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
Cliff notes:

Internet poker is shady as ****.

R*R 08-31-2010 12:46 PM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gullanian (Post 21252078)
When you learn about how Alexa works, you will quickly learn that most numbers derived from it, especially micro numbers, are largely meaningless.

Yeah I figured this didn't mean much but ....

rookiepsu 08-31-2010 12:49 PM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
Pretty soon they'll just be a symbol. "The poker room formerly known as ultimatebet"

dlk9s 08-31-2010 01:42 PM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NoahSD (Post 21250527)
OP, if you still know anyone at bonuswhores/pokerbonuses, you should suggest that they sue.

I know them. I haven't asked them about this, but my guess is that they will try to get everything taken care of without lawsuits. The legal route would be the last resort.

Me, I'd get David Horowitz involved (let's see how many "senior" 2+2'ers get that one).

ElevenGrover 08-31-2010 01:51 PM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NoahSD (Post 21250527)
OP, if you still know anyone at bonuswhores/pokerbonuses, you should suggest that they sue.

I think "they" already posted in this thread as AdamSmall who if I remember is the founder of PocketFives and works with N82 for a large affiliate. They still do business with Cereus (for whatever reason) and probably don't want to make waves.

opportunity lol 08-31-2010 01:57 PM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
this is so wild

Shentx 08-31-2010 02:29 PM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
In before the scandal!

Mr Meaner. 08-31-2010 02:50 PM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sub-Zer0118 (Post 21247529)
This is very weird. If there company is just "UB" now what will that stand for? Nothing? Whaa? Interesting.

Unsafe Bankroll

WOLVER1NE 08-31-2010 05:42 PM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
Unfair Bets

Kevmath 08-31-2010 06:38 PM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dlk9s (Post 21258746)
I know them. I haven't asked them about this, but my guess is that they will try to get everything taken care of without lawsuits. The legal route would be the last resort.

Me, I'd get David Horowitz involved (let's see how many "senior" 2+2'ers get that one).

http://www.fightback.com/wp-content/...02-300x231.jpg

f_u_luck 08-31-2010 06:46 PM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
probably is just some paperwork but ub.com is legal as a poker room if kahnawake gaming comission certifies only www.ultimatebet.com address?

https://certificates.gamingcommissio...6-97205aee4ba3

nilesz 08-31-2010 07:18 PM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/a...lesz/NewUB.jpg

SIThomer 08-31-2010 07:29 PM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
You know I lost tons of money on ultimatebet against the limit bots (specifically mmcc fouzhoubaby and bmw750i) and even though I didn't get one cent back I am in the minority that ub tried to do right and hold no ill will to them in their quest to move on. You guys really need to let this go already. tens of millions have been refunded and I DIDN'T GET A PENNY and while I certainly won't play there again I do commend them in their ATTEMPTS to make right.

dumping ultimatebet.com was an inevitable move no?

meh not really a strong post but ill hit reply anyway

dlk9s 08-31-2010 07:35 PM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevmath (Post 21264908)

http://a.imageshack.us/img4/4592/suppanthumbsup.jpg

ElevenGrover 08-31-2010 08:22 PM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SIThomer (Post 21265824)
You know I lost tons of money on ultimatebet against the limit bots (specifically mmcc fouzhoubaby and bmw750i) and even though I didn't get one cent back...

You do realize this was one of the superuser accounts don't you? Other people got money back against this guy, so I guess to your point I don't really understand. You got cheated, didn't get remunerated, don't seem to care and ... I guess you expect everyone else to feel the same way. BTW, think about the concept of Bot + Superuser for a moment.

The fact that the former CTO has said the HH databases are complete and accessible doesn't square with the process and results in how the company has provided players their HHs. Pokerstars can go back 6 years and provide a complete HH distribution in less than 30 minutes; Cereus refuses to provide complete HH requests at all and in the case against the superusers, they aren't even giving full histories vs the known cheaters.

troll_itt 08-31-2010 08:54 PM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gullanian (Post 21252078)
When you learn about how Alexa works, you will quickly learn that most numbers derived from it, especially micro numbers, are largely meaningless.

Have you written them a letter yet Gull??? :)

AphexDeuce 08-31-2010 08:59 PM

Re: Ultimatebet.com Now Forwards to Depositbonus.com, But What Are They Up To?
 
Did that cerues rep that matt had a vote to get on here ever arrive/arrive yet?

Also: In b4 scandal :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: :eek::

phils08 08-31-2010 09:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SIThomer (Post 21265824)
You know I lost tons of money on ultimatebet against the limit bots (specifically mmcc fouzhoubaby and bmw750i) and even though I didn't get one cent back I am in the minority that ub tried to do right and hold no ill will to them in their quest to move on. You guys really need to let this go already. tens of millions have been refunded and I DIDN'T GET A PENNY and while I certainly won't play there again I do commend them in their ATTEMPTS to make right.

dumping ultimatebet.com was an inevitable move no?

meh not really a strong post but ill hit reply anyway

Im pretty confused by this post. bmw750i was definitely one of the super user accounts, not a bot. I know of at least 2 people that got refunds. Im not sure why you didn't get a refund, and i dont really understand your carefree attitude in this matter considering it looks like you got scammed not once but twice.

teddyFBI 08-31-2010 09:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SIThomer (Post 21265824)
You know I lost tons of money on ultimatebet against the limit bots (specifically mmcc fouzhoubaby and bmw750i) and even though I didn't get one cent back I am in the minority that ub tried to do right and hold no ill will to them in their quest to move on. You guys really need to let this go already. tens of millions have been refunded and I DIDN'T GET A PENNY and while I certainly won't play there again I do commend them in their ATTEMPTS to make right.

WTF does this even mean?

SIThomer 08-31-2010 09:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ElevenGrover (Post 21266825)
You do realize this was one of the superuser accounts don't you? Other people got money back against this guy, so I guess to your point I don't really understand. You got cheated, didn't get remunerated, don't seem to care and ... I guess you expect everyone else to feel the same way. BTW, think about the concept of Bot + Superuser for a moment.

No I didn't know he was a superuser account. UB essentially told me that I won off him an equal amount that I lost. Yes thats utter BS and was very difficult to swallow.
It's not that I didn't seem to care, I stopped playing online poker after all this broke (among other reasons).

However all your points are extremely legitimate, I will say only that I have seen good family friends as well as friends of my own become strange people when loaning of money and subsequent problems/outright theft occured. I have been in much worse situations and this was with FRIENDS who made no effort to pay back let alone salvage a relationship. My point is that ub at least tried to make right. its imperfections in doing so are rightly criticized but I just think it's time to move on.

Let me add that I believe the reason for my cavalier attitude is that I actually made money off ub from 2002-2006.
I had some of my best times on that site and I suppose thats why I don't begrudge them. completely illogical perhaps... but I still look pretty fondly on those days of exciting limit hold compared to the boring world of 1 1/2 yrs ago (when i last played).

DiggertheDog 09-01-2010 01:56 AM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB4D-...eature=related

RolloTomasi 09-01-2010 09:06 AM

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when you used to goggle Ultimate Bet the very first page would have several scandal links now the 1st one is on the the second page so Cereus is trying to redirect newbies off of Goggle so they dont get the Ultimatebet= UB.com connection imho
UB must have a bunch of $2 hour stay at home moms clicking those bonus sites thousands of times a day to push the scandal further and further back on the list in goggle search

craigmarq 09-01-2010 09:29 AM

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KFC style rebranding.

Bevo54 09-01-2010 11:28 AM

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Depositbonus dot com is still displaying copied content from the following websites: Cardplayer.com, PokerListings.com, and BurningPoker.com (3 of the highest ranking affiliate/media sites on Google in the poker industry).

Source

My guess is the former owners of UB outsourced their website development to India/China/etc. Whoever they hired ran keyword searches for top poker terms and ripped the content from websites on the first page.

HeavyTrev 09-01-2010 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by craigmarq (Post 21277315)
KFC style rebranding.

:heart:

27LB 09-01-2010 12:00 PM

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http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_uB-0D-gV8m...Elg8/s400/ub40

___1___ 09-01-2010 12:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ElevenGrover (Post 21266825)
You do realize this was one of the superuser accounts don't you? Other people got money back against this guy, so I guess to your point I don't really understand. You got cheated, didn't get remunerated, don't seem to care and ... I guess you expect everyone else to feel the same way. BTW, think about the concept of Bot + Superuser for a moment.

The fact that the former CTO has said the HH databases are complete and accessible doesn't square with the process and results in how the company has provided players their HHs. Pokerstars can go back 6 years and provide a complete HH distribution in less than 30 minutes; Cereus refuses to provide complete HH requests at all and in the case against the superusers, they aren't even giving full histories vs the known cheaters.

bmw750li =/ bmw750i

I think the bot he's referring to was bmw750li. Different players.

ElevenGrover 09-01-2010 12:33 PM

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ahh, you may be right.
Here is an archive of Gatorade's bot site from 2008
http://web.archive.org/web/200707091.../index_002.htm

and it is bmw750i only.

rndm 09-01-2010 02:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SIThomer (Post 21265824)
You know I lost tons of money on ultimatebet against the limit bots (specifically mmcc fouzhoubaby and bmw750i) and even though I didn't get one cent back I am in the minority that ub tried to do right and hold no ill will to them in their quest to move on. You guys really need to let this go already. tens of millions have been refunded and I DIDN'T GET A PENNY and while I certainly won't play there again I do commend them in their ATTEMPTS to make right.

dumping ultimatebet.com was an inevitable move no?

meh not really a strong post but ill hit reply anyway

Tried to do the right thing, like.... constantly covering up information, refusing to answer questions and in some cases threatening people investigating?

Good thing they have people like you to believe their verbal diarrhea and avoid further spotlight.

OnWithTheShow 09-19-2010 02:34 AM

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I heard from half-way reliable sources back in the day that username "Aruba Bound" and BMW750li (or maybe it was the BMW750i -- one of the two) belonged to Greg P.

2theleft 09-19-2010 02:39 AM

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anjyone think thism is just another scam

ElevenGrover 11-29-2010 07:52 PM

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ultimatebet.com now forwards to ub.com instead of depositbonus.com

looks like the kiss/makeup is complete.

Wonder if Uri Kozai or Joe Norton gets to keep the money derived from hosting the affiliate site a couple of months since it isn't discussed on the liquidator site?

RolloTomasi 11-29-2010 10:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ElevenGrover (Post 23181045)
ultimatebet.com now forwards to ub.com instead of depositbonus.com

looks like the kiss/makeup is complete.

Wonder if Uri Kozai or Joe Norton gets to keep the money derived from hosting the affiliate site a couple of months since it isn't discussed on the liquidator site?

so many questions so few answers

did the Escapsa investors get screwed by having to settle a $125 mill note for $1 mill now and 1 mill April 31st 2011 and 8-20% of any proceeds if sold by April 31st 2013 ?
or has UB devalued that much due to the scandal and UIEGA ?
Did the majority Escapsa shareholders that approved the deal also have shares in Blastoff leaving the minority holding the bag?

Omar Devone Little 11-29-2010 10:41 PM

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100% DO NOT PLAY ON UB.COM UNTIL THEY OFFER 65% RAKEBACK TO ALL PLAYERS. THIS SITE IS SCUM. THEY HAD SUPERUSERS!!!!

ElevenGrover 11-29-2010 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 23184916)
so many questions so few answers

did the Escapsa investors get screwed

What would be brilliant is if 6Canada had a buyer for:

Spotlight Poker; a clean company/platform which has never offered US facing games. Perfect for a company looking to start fresh in the .it or .fr or any of the locale specific license jurisdictions. Maybe even new jersey...

and then eWorld/BlastOff/Avoine/IDS/CRME, Inc./Blanca/Toysrus lined up a seperate buyer for UB/AP; a company with a large US customer database.

It would be a ballsy double dip. George Romero approves.

rockchucker8 11-29-2010 10:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Omar Devone Little (Post 23185149)
100% DO NOT PLAY ON UB.COM UNTIL THEY OFFER 65% RAKEBACK TO ALL PLAYERS. THIS SITE IS SCUM. THEY HAD SUPERUSERS!!!!

offering 65% rakeback will not make the site safe to play on, i fail to see the point in your post...

wants 11-29-2010 11:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rockchucker8 (Post 23185588)
offering 65% rakeback will not make the site safe to play on, i fail to see the point in your post...

60% rakeback is the inflection point where playing with superusers can still be profitable. 65% makes up for the lost EV of playing with your cards face up, ldo.

Too bad the fish don't care about EV though and keep playing even though the rakeback is too low to offset the superusers.

Omar Devone Little 11-30-2010 01:24 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wants (Post 23185826)
60% rakeback is the inflection point where playing with superusers can still be profitable. 65% makes up for the lost EV of playing with your cards face up, ldo.

Too bad the fish don't care about EV though and keep playing even though the rakeback is too low to offset the superusers.

Yeah what he said.


You just got to figure out who the superusers are and avoid them. For 65% rakeback its worth out foxing the superusers.

rockchucker8 11-30-2010 02:24 AM

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ah, i got it, your account is a level. wp

listening 11-30-2010 02:24 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jtvjon (Post 21249103)
Ultimate Bunglers.

FYP - the way they handled this latest mess.

RolloTomasi 12-01-2010 10:58 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ElevenGrover (Post 23185560)
What would be brilliant is if 6Canada had a buyer for:

Spotlight Poker; a clean company/platform which has never offered US facing games. Perfect for a company looking to start fresh in the .it or .fr or any of the locale specific license jurisdictions. Maybe even new jersey...

and then eWorld/BlastOff/Avoine/IDS/CRME, Inc./Blanca/Toysrus lined up a seperate buyer for UB/AP; a company with a large US customer database.

It would be a ballsy double dip. George Romero approves.

so they bought themselves no leaking of inside info until 04/2013 or if a sale comes earlier and they wont care anymore ?


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