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08-28-2012 , 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by MMD
Have you tried tweeting to the likes of kidpoker and asking him to retweet it? If anything a few high stakes ballers who are not aware of it will see it nevermind the 190k other followers he has.
Yah, you would think Daniel would donate a bit towards this just as another way to spite Annie Duke!
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08-28-2012 , 02:00 PM
3 days to go...

Pledged: $4275
Needed: $2225
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08-28-2012 , 02:36 PM
Just made a pledge of $25, I hope this gets funded!
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08-28-2012 , 03:14 PM
$25 from me too. Good luck!
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08-28-2012 , 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by MMD
Have you tried tweeting to the likes of kidpoker and asking him to retweet it? If anything a few high stakes ballers who are not aware of it will see it nevermind the 190k other followers he has.
I dont use twitter but this sounds like a really good idea for someone who does, only couple k needed to go now in last 2 days...........
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08-29-2012 , 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by SuperJez
I dont use twitter but this sounds like a really good idea for someone who does, only couple k needed to go now in last 2 days...........


Done it for you

Gl
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08-29-2012 , 01:17 AM
Just doing my part.


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08-29-2012 , 01:18 AM
lol ^
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08-29-2012 , 01:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Zima421
Just doing my part.


Haha, gold, now someone do Duke
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08-29-2012 , 10:08 AM
Its amazing how poker players seem so willing to let these scumbags off the hook. There are individuals on 2p2 that have had hundreds of thousands of dollars stolen from them on UB and they wont even donate $100 to get this video made and out these thieves? Come on guys, let's get this video made!
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08-29-2012 , 10:34 AM
Pledged 25, GOGOGO.
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08-29-2012 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Picasso
Its amazing how poker players seem so willing to let these scumbags off the hook.
its not the poker players job to take care of that, its the job of the jurisdiction.

also, maybe some of those who got stolen 100k might think, negative publicity is the last thing poker needs. they wont get their money back and it certainly will not convince "joe recreational" that online poker is a good thing to try.

no need to warm up a 5year old story with a negative image for online poker.
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08-29-2012 , 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerbiker
also, maybe some of those who got stolen 100k might think, negative publicity is the last thing poker needs.
It is an opinion, but it cannot be correct. This suggests that it is fine for the scammers and conmen in the game to get a pass. They get to keep the money. And worst of all, they get to keep coming back with new initiatives and schemes. Trying to sweep things under the rug is exactly why they flourish. Its why Russ H owns two large houses on TPC Summerlin. Why Howard and Jesus get to keep tens of millions of dollars. Why Annie Duke has a career after going before Congress claiming players were made whole at UB. There are always folks dreaming of the next bubble who believe that hushing up the warts is somehow a positive action.

As for prosecution, there wasn't one. There wasn't even a civil case. Our film will hopefully provide a reasonable fascimile. Is Russ coming back? Probably not. But plenty of folks in the UB case are involved in companies planning to capitalize on the next wave and that can't be good for game. Companies that hold meetings to discuss liability when bad behavior is discovered take comfort that some in the community will seek to give them a pass, and in that knowledge they make decisions to do the minimum instead of what is right. These folks freerolled the poker world and received bailouts from licensing agencies, legitimate companies and players themselves. It's time to draw a line.
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08-29-2012 , 01:16 PM
Well said ElevenGrover
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08-29-2012 , 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ElevenGrover
It is an opinion, but it cannot be correct. This suggests that it is fine for the scammers and conmen in the game to get a pass. They get to keep the money. And worst of all, they get to keep coming back with new initiatives and schemes. Trying to sweep things under the rug is exactly why they flourish. Its why Russ H owns two large houses on TPC Summerlin. Why Howard and Jesus get to keep tens of millions of dollars. Why Annie Duke has a career after going before Congress claiming players were made whole at UB. There are always folks dreaming of the next bubble who believe that hushing up the warts is somehow a positive action.

As for prosecution, there wasn't one. There wasn't even a civil case. Our film will hopefully provide a reasonable fascimile. Is Russ coming back? Probably not. But plenty of folks in the UB case are involved in companies planning to capitalize on the next wave and that can't be good for game. Companies that hold meetings to discuss liability when bad behavior is discovered take comfort that some in the community will seek to give them a pass, and in that knowledge they make decisions to do the minimum instead of what is right. These folks freerolled the poker world and received bailouts from licensing agencies, legitimate companies and players themselves. It's time to draw a line.
Exactly. Pledged $50.
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08-29-2012 , 03:06 PM
Shipped $50
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08-29-2012 , 03:21 PM
how much money has been defrauded, roughly?
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08-29-2012 , 03:37 PM
Pledged 100 bucks.
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08-29-2012 , 03:48 PM
Pledged $25, good luck!
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08-29-2012 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Kozaa
how much money has been defrauded, roughly?
In the UB cheating, the KGC agreed to ~$23M though the independence and process to arrive at an appropriate calculation was severely flawed. There is hearsay evidence from the perps suggesting $40M and it is reasonable the actual number is higher than the reported number or else they would have publicly released the loss investigation reports.

Further, without a public auditor, there is little evidence the company paid out even half of the admitted $23M.

Finally, with the assistance of player reps and Paul Leggett's extensive PR, an estimated $55M went missing after Black Friday.
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08-29-2012 , 05:14 PM
WOW!!!

Some generous white night just plugged the gap and ElevenGrover gets the $6500!!!

Congrats! I'm really happy that you are getting the funding!
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08-29-2012 , 05:23 PM
"You’ll see these names updated every 10 backers, in no particular order. If you just backed and you don’t see your name yet, stay tuned! All names will be listed when the project ends no matter what."

I'm pretty sure you will be as surprised as I was at the white knight's identity. Thanks to everyone, I am already working on the east coast shoot logistics.

btw, you are allowed to go over your goal and we do have places to put extra dollars. The big takehome from this thread was a pro voiceover. E&O insurance/lawyer fees. Premium vodk... errrr marketing and advertising. So, if you planned to contribute and did not get a chance, keep it coming.
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08-29-2012 , 05:30 PM
Ship, well done elevengrover and mookman
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08-29-2012 , 05:40 PM
Excellent stuff looking forward to the final product
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08-29-2012 , 05:42 PM
also in b4 seebok is the mystery donator
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