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11-20-2014 , 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by grant2
Talented but naive. Next time they'll know better.
Very true. If you accept a crap salary offer you will be stuck with it until you leave the company. If they want you they will come back with a better offer.

Happened to me in the middle ´80s. GM wanted hire me away from a supplier. Made a weak offer and I turned it down. Came back with 10 k more and told me I was the first person in the history of the photo/video production dept. to turn down an offer.
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11-20-2014 , 11:32 PM
Canadian here so not too sure about the entry salaries and such but 28K-40K for a call center type CS position sounds reasonable?

There aren't really super specific skills required for the type of job described. Phone support, live chat, etc. quite sure any fresh grad can perform and they would jump at the chance of employment to pay down those damn student loans.
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11-21-2014 , 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by MacauChris
Canadian here so not too sure about the entry salaries and such but 28K-40K for a call center type CS position sounds reasonable?

There aren't really super specific skills required for the type of job described. Phone support, live chat, etc. quite sure any fresh grad can perform and they would jump at the chance of employment to pay down those damn student loans.
Knowledge of poker would be useful...

Look at PokerStars support in the early 00's. They hired good people, which is one of the reasons they did well. They didn't just go for people fresh out of university. Terrence set up PS support and he wanted to do the same thing again.
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11-21-2014 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by MacauChris
Canadian here so not too sure about the entry salaries and such but 28K-40K for a call center type CS position sounds reasonable?
The poster said "certain talented individuals" which implies these were not generic CS jobs, but instead, key technology positions. e.g., developers, system administators, project managers, etc. All of which should indeed earn at least $60-$80k to start for people with enough experience to have demonstrated talent.
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11-21-2014 , 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by MacauChris
Canadian here so not too sure about the entry salaries and such but 28K-40K for a call center type CS position sounds reasonable?

There aren't really super specific skills required for the type of job described. Phone support, live chat, etc. quite sure any fresh grad can perform and they would jump at the chance of employment to pay down those damn student loans.
A 28k entry level salary is more than reasonable, and I was very happy with my team starting at that salary. I'm talking about the people who came in at that number, proved themselves to be superstars, and were given either very modest or no increase.
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11-21-2014 , 11:45 PM
New Nevada Poker Site RealGaming.com Goes After Ultimate Poker Refugees

http://www.parttimepoker.com/new-nev...poker-refugees
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11-22-2014 , 12:49 PM
Nobody cares about online gaming like ppl on 2+2 do. Married dudes want to in fact leave the house to escape from work/everyday life. Target audience should be under 30 and try and steal the competitive gamers.
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11-22-2014 , 01:06 PM
Two Plus Two recognizes this and will soon work towards integrating Twitch.tv into our site in hopes of attracting gamers to poker.
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11-22-2014 , 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Professionalpoker
Two Plus Two recognizes this and will soon work towards integrating Twitch.tv into our site in hopes of attracting gamers to poker.
This is a good idea..... recently saw a facebook status from one of my friends that has never played poker before and is just into games saying that The Jason Somerville live Twitch videos is the best twitch content he has ever watched......
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11-22-2014 , 02:15 PM
State by state regulation will lead to winner / 2 winner (888/party) take all markets due to there being insufficient liquidity to support more sites. The biggest sites will have gravitational pull.
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11-23-2014 , 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by AEAB1105
Nobody cares about online gaming like ppl on 2+2 do. Married dudes want to in fact leave the house to escape from work/everyday life. Target audience should be under 30 and try and steal the competitive gamers.
The reason that operators tend to not go after competitive gamers is that their demographic includes players under the legal age.
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11-23-2014 , 04:10 AM
You statement is true that the demographic includes underaged players. On the positive side my understanding is that the average age of gamers is around 33. This came from an employee of Twitch that we met with.
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11-23-2014 , 06:12 AM
Yeh, I imagine it's higher than it used to be.
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11-23-2014 , 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Professionalpoker
You statement is true that the demographic includes underaged players. On the positive side my understanding is that the average age of gamers is around 33. This came from an employee of Twitch that we met with.
My personal experience with streaming on twitch is that average viewer is under 21. But teaming up with twitch sounds like a good thing since they seem to be pushing poker some.
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11-23-2014 , 09:56 AM
Its pretty funny how awesome online poker was before regulation and now we got this half assed regulation going on in the US and its just an utter failure. Seems like an easy example of gov't needing to get the **** out of the way.
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11-23-2014 , 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by uradoodooface
Its pretty funny how awesome online poker was before regulation and now we got this half assed regulation going on in the US and its just an utter failure. Seems like an easy example of gov't needing to get the **** out of the way.
I agree that current regulation isn't good, but it wasn't all champagne and roses. Ultimate Bet, Absolute Poker, FTP, various network skins...
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11-23-2014 , 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by uradoodooface
Its pretty funny how awesome online poker was before regulation and now we got this half assed regulation going on in the US and its just an utter failure. Seems like an easy example of gov't needing to get the **** out of the way.
I think there should be strong regulation but only in regards to the money side of things to make sure funds are looked after. Let the operators put out whatever product they choose to. The government has no idea how the software works so they should stay out of the way and let consumers decide.
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11-23-2014 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Sect7G
I think there should be strong regulation but only in regards to the money side of things to make sure funds are looked after. Let the operators put out whatever product they choose to. The government has no idea how the software works so they should stay out of the way and let consumers decide.
Don't agree here. The point of regulation and oversight is to insure a fair and honest game. Certify the RNG, certify the primary operators in addition to making sure the player's funds are secure.

In your scenario we could have another Ultimate Bet without the software oversight.
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11-23-2014 , 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Professionalpoker
Don't agree here. The point of regulation and oversight is to insure a fair and honest game. Certify the RNG, certify the primary operators in addition to making sure the player's funds are secure.

In your scenario we could have another Ultimate Bet without the software oversight.
Valid point about the RNG.

The point I was trying to make is why didn't Ultimate Poker have basic things like player notes? Was it that they didn't have a capable software engineer to implement it or was the regulation that tough?
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11-23-2014 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by uradoodooface
Its pretty funny how awesome online poker was before regulation and now we got this half assed regulation going on in the US and its just an utter failure. Seems like an easy example of gov't needing to get the **** out of the way.
Do you mean how awesome it was for people to lose hundreds of millions of dollars on Full Tilt due to the lack of regulation? (at least before Poker Stars saved their arse)
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11-23-2014 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by pocket_zeros
Do you mean how awesome it was for people to lose hundreds of millions of dollars on Full Tilt due to the lack of regulation? (at least before Poker Stars saved their arse)
It was due to theft (already have laws against that) and if you think heavy regulations prevent theft, corruption, and fraud I would invite you to investigate the US banking industry. There are more banking laws than anybody can count, but it'll definitely be fixed once we get a couple more passed.
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11-23-2014 , 01:11 PM
Banking is incredibly complex, but requiring you build software in such a way as to make superusers impossible is going to be less so. PokerStars built theirs that way from the start, for example.
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11-23-2014 , 01:42 PM
It's the software. I don't know why these companies are so dumb that they can't see it. There is a correlation between good software and company success. UP launched with completely ****ty software, and expected the first users to beta-test the software with their own real money.

Just a cheapskate company who has no ****ing idea what it takes to make a good product.
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11-23-2014 , 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Sciolist
Banking is incredibly complex, but requiring you build software in such a way as to make superusers impossible is going to be less so. PokerStars built theirs that way from the start, for example.
So if it can be done without government coercion, why do you want the violence of the state?
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11-23-2014 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Dantes
So if it can be done without government coercion, why do you want the violence of the state?
Did you see how it WASN'T done by AB/UP? I'm surprised you don't have a long post history in politics.
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