Was Brainwashdodo's comment about **** hitting the fan made before this bug happened?

Yes, well before. Several days.


bwdd sighting

I watched and chatted a little with Phil while he played in the UB Sunday tourney maybe around two years ago. We talked about the WSOP when he had QQ and lost to JJ etc. I'm pretty sure THAT was him. He played the tourney like he's rarely played online before. He was extremely nitty and was min raising at the opening stages which is terrible. He came across very friendly and more then happy to be talking about himself which we all know that's Phil.

He wasn't using shorthand in his wording. Like - I play U now. He was typing everything out perfectly. Now maybe in an online limit cash game that would change but i sure don't change how i type by the speed of the game. I just say less.

When i saw the hand in question from this whole thread. It just doesn't seem the way Phil aka 11 Time WSOP Bracelet Winner would play the hand. I then read the chat and said to myself. That sure doesn't look like something Phil would say. I watched prior hands and play was pretty straightforward limit play. Then the T2 hand comes up and for some reason the player decides THIS hand is the hand i'm going to jam the pot with.

I could see someone on tilt maybe doing this but i saw no evidence of tilt from the prior hands. Unless he was mad he wasn't really gaining on the guy. From what i saw prior to the hand i know after doubleballer reraises me preflop he isn't messing around. Everything in the hand is standard until he calls the flop checkraise. Based on THIS opponent from my observations. Had his T2 crushed with that flop. Even if the guy had QT Phil is crushed. Considering Phil had a T makes that holding less likely and Phil would know that. AQ and AT aren't folding so he has no FE in this hand. It's obvious this opponent isn't folding yet the player still raises the turn which is just horrible.

Anyway now with some evidence Phil has actually been caught not playing under his name and the whole situation as i know it. I strongly believe there is more to this then just a glitch. And i have strong doubts Phil often even plays under his name. I mean the guy is super busy and can make more brushing his teeth then playing to win a couple grand.

I mean if i was him who had part ownership (i've heard), I'd play tables with atleast 5 opponents and chat it up and try and fix the image the site has. I think Phil honestly just sits back and collects a paycheck maybe playing here and there but that's it.

Phil has no reason to steal directly from the players but an employee with access as we have seen before with these companies certainly has the means and the motive to do it. And nobody has really gotten into any trouble prior so there is little fear of prosecution.

Anyway just some thoughts. Obviously much is speculation but with such little info available that's pretty much all we can do.

Hmmm why is brainwashsdodo doing this... Maybe he wants us to do the work?

Argh he is an enigma

make that 37 incidents.

first off... happy festivus everyone!

next... 2 those of you who still insist on playing @ UB....
If this happens to YOU, AND you finally decide you're fed up as well...
demand the hand histories be e-mailed to you!
poast them here, or we'll show you how!
[we will. really.]
loki, my holiday wish is that you SAVED any correspondence betwwen UB and
yourself and could post it here.

if not, wtf, happy holidays anyway!

$pike

Cliff notes PLEASE!

"We are gonna 'investigate' until you all forget about this."

I take back my apology. I whole-heartedly include you amongst the conspiracy theorists who are posting in this thread.

read post #1234

Forgive me because i have only read a few pages of this massive thread, but it sounds like this Phil's hand history is the only reported incident in this thread. A similar incident happened to my wife on Absolute a few weeks ago.

Stage #1136089263: Holdem No Limit $0.50 - 2008-12-02 03:48:48 (ET)
Table: TUSTIN (Real Money) Seat #6 is the dealer
Seat 6 - OZMANZ69 ($175.34 in chips)
Seat 1 - SBOM333 ($86.20 in chips)
Seat 2 - MIKE DACIUK ($100 in chips)
Seat 3 - MINES13W ($24.20 in chips)
Seat 4 - ROYALSTARS ($88.11 in chips)
Seat 5 - LUCKY_SPACE ($68.50 in chips)
SBOM333 - Posts small blind $0.25
MIKE DACIUK - Posts big blind $0.50
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to LUCKY_SPACE [Ad 9d]
MINES13W - Folds
ROYALSTARS - Folds
LUCKY_SPACE - Raises $1.75 to $1.75
OZMANZ69 - Folds
SBOM333 - Calls $1.50
MIKE DACIUK - Folds (Timeout)
*** FLOP *** [3c 7d 2d]
SBOM333 - Checks
LUCKY_SPACE - Bets $3
SBOM333 - Folds
LUCKY_SPACE - returned ($3) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
LUCKY_SPACE - Does not show
MIKE DACIUK Collects $3.80 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($4) | Rake ($0.20)
Board [3c 7d 2d]
Seat 1: SBOM333 (small blind) Folded on the FLOP
Seat 2: MIKE DACIUK (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: MINES13W Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: ROYALSTARS Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: LUCKY_SPACE HI: [Does not show]
Seat 6: OZMANZ69 (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS

Here is her email to support and their reply.

--Original Message--
From: xxxxxxxxx@gmail.com
Date: 12/02/08
To: support@absolutepoker.com
Subject: I won the hand and another player received my money[#10021793]

Hi, I just played this hand at table Tustin, hand history #1136089263
.. In the hand I made everyone fold and a player that folded his hand
preflop received my money. This was the last hand played at the table
before it switched over to another server. Would you please look at
this hand and credit me back the appropriate amount, thanks.


From: <support@absolutepoker.com>
Date: Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 8:09 AM
Subject: RE:I won the hand and another player received my money [#10021793]
To: xxxxxxxxx@gmail.com



Dear Ms. xxxxxx,

Thank you for contacting us and for reporting this situation.

Be kindly informed that we have reviewed the hand in question and
confirmed that the pot was incorrectly paid out. We have credited the
money you should have won on your account and forwarded your email to
the appropriate department for further review.

If there is anything else we can help you with, please let us know. We
are here for you!

Kind Regards,

Luigi
Team Absolute ~ Customer Support
"To Continue to be the Best and Most Trusted"
Support@AbsolutePoker.Com

Ensure the security of your account! Never give out your password and
change it frequently.


We meant to post this awhile ago, but i obviously never got around to it and my wife doesn't have a 2+2 account and figured nobody would take her post seriously, being that it would be her first post.

Thanks for the post. The only bad thing is Table Ratings doesn't have records of games that low. But it seems legit

Only odd thing i see is the name Luigi. Do people really have that name? haha

Good to see that hand sparked an investigation into the software.

Thanks for posting that.

So not only has there been an instance before, but it was reported to them and acknowledged, and it falls within the December and November timeframe that Paul Leggett told us had been checked. Hmm.

hahah what a farce, so they lied or forgot about that instance also he did not disc in the exact millisecond where the winner was decided, LOL are you CEREUS

The first bug happened the same day brainwash posted first time in the other thread, the next day he said **** is gonna hit the fan, 17 days later when still no one was aware of this "bug" it suddenly happened to Phill.

Also in the post below bwdd basicly say Russ H is not the mastermind behind the cheating, read VCL's post above his


http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...27/index5.html

He can not give us craig, we have to do the work ourselves...

Now who is craig... Greg Pierson?

liars only know one thing

how to continue to lie to cover up their previous lies, which were covering up more lies... etc.

get the picture?

It's the winner of the hand who had to disconnect, don't forget. I don't see how somebody who had already folded got to win, but the winner presumably lost because she disconnected bang on time.

EDIT: Your point about it coinciding with brainwashdodo's reappearance is excellent, though.

EDIT2: Mind you, nobody else could win apart from those who had folded, there was nobody left.

ub needs to die

Hmm.

Yeah maybe its the same bug but that is not really important, why did they lie and say it never happened before when it was even reported to the support.

Also bwdd basicly said it all in his posts

Guy wants us to know they still cheat, he tries one time but no one notice, 17 days later it happens to Phill...

lol thought i would get flamed way more than just this. i accept your apology retraction. merry xmas.


wow lucky devil your timing is awesome. looks like they are caught lying again.

Just quoting Paul Leggett, on 23rd Dec 2008 blog post, in order to remind us how they see the truth.

Now for the UB response

Update on Recent Software Issues
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 - COO

[We have never had an issue like this reported previously and we have reviewed all of our database and application logs for December and November and have been unable to find any historical occurrences. We are continuing to go back further into the historical data to ensure no hands from the past need to be corrected. Analyzing this data takes time but we will continue to go back further and further into our history to ensure no one else was affected.


So there lying. They know people will still play there even if they cheat. There is nothing out there to be afraid of when they get caught. they still have the money.

maybe Paul was referring to UB only, what day did they officially merge?