Seeing is believing.

this is a level surely... wtf?

I have to agree. I don't think PH has anything to do with it, but he does come off like a bit of a douche here. Still don't understand why anyone would still play there, though? Crazy.

http://blog.ultimatebet.com/2008/11/...s/#comment-165

If you have a few minutes read this about UBs' Bad Beat Jackpot, its typical of UB.

Cliff notes, if you are at a BBJ table and you aren't in a hand,(not sitting out) you don't get a share. This ladies table finished up their hand at the 8 second mark and the cards were folded. The BBJ was dealt at the 9 second mark. Her table was redealt at the 10 second mark. She wrote Paul Leggett and his response was basically "Yeah, that's ****ed up, too bad. Then he says some blah blah blah we'll look at this.

Now keep in mind a share was about $267. I don't think it would have crippled UB to pay out $2700(assuming Full Ring) to make this right until they fixed their software.

And from what I gather from his response, I don't think they CAN fix this. I wonder how many fish would keep play BBJ's if they knew that they get nothing if this happens to them. What a crappy company.

albeit something like ten handed in the wsop, compared to HU online, Phil berated the Romanian Champ for playing 10-4 and plays 10-2 here? They should have a video of Phil calling someone wearing UB gear an idiot four times with Phils UB gear blacked out. 10-4 beats 10-2, 53% equity to 47.

PH is such a crevard to act like this

Phil Hellmuth's new business card: Poker Brat, former youngest main even champion, online poker cheater

ahahhahahahahah this is so ****ing funny.


but i'm kinda scared.

"Oh, you had three of a kind, very nice!"

wins everything on the internet

lol I'm looking forward to see how this unfolds

Meh I don't really care. Software glitch on a site I don't play at. Funny it would happen in favor of the face of UB though . Will prolly get solved soon, the software is pretty new.

In all seriousness, I'm betting on a software bug. I know it sounds unlikely but it could easily be that one part of the program (that awards the pot) thinks hero is disconnected whereas another part (that deals the cards) thinks he isn't. Of course this would be super incompetent but we are talking UB here. It's certainly more likely than "Phil's cheating software gave him the wrong card". And as another poster mentioned, it could have happened before but in spots where people either didn't notice or just didn't bring it to light because it was micro stakes or play money. Of course, Hellmuth has dealt with it appallingly in the chat, but that's the way he rolls.

This being the case, the real shame is that it didn't happen the other way round. Imagine the conflict in Phil's mind between complaining about it and shilling for UB whatever terrible things they do. Head asplode !

this is no longer true on the cereus client.

Glitch in the Matrix obv

Let it go ppl

For sure it has been posted before ...

... but I just dont have the time to work through the last 15 pages, cause that is were i stopped reading yesterday.

For all of those that havnt seen ist. Here is the official UB statement:

http://blog.ultimatebet.com/

Im a programmer, with 5 years exprience in web development and online game development. I have some comments to this:

1) If indeed it was a rare occurence, then it would seem they already know about a critical flaw in their system and haven't taken steps to correct it. They may say "We've corrected the problem" but i highly doubt it.. and even so, if it was that fast/easy to correct why didn't they before?

2) To me it seems very suspicious that this can occur, and that it even occurs when one of their VIP's is playing. We haven't seen this before, but suddently out of the blue this happens and at a high stakes headsup table with one of their VIP's? Very suspicious indeed... even worse is that a suposed Hold'em Specialist doesn't even seem to care/mind that it happens is even worse, since any low limit fish knows the hand rankings.

My conclusion is that i find it highly proberble that this was not caused by a freak occurence, but rather by an, as yet, unseen form of superuser activity. I base this on a couple of things:

1) The fact that i find it hard to believe flaws like this wouldnt have been spotted long before now, during the billons of hands played on that network.

2) UB's general reputation for superuser activity, and self admittance that such a thing exists within their software and has hold over it. (Stuff like that cant just be eradicated by a few keystrokes, because it's usually deeply embedded in the software. At least in my experience).

3) The fact the subject in question is a 11 time WSOP bracelet winner and all in hold'em iirc, and he doesn't seem to be overly concerned or surprised, or doesnt even seem to stop up for a minute and go "hey, what just happend".

These are my personal views, and its my intial stance on the matter. Should any new evidence come to light to the contrary, im willing to resind my statement..

It s obvious that PH missclicked... He wanted to click "view holecards" and instead clicked "win with losing hand"

...and where do you use your programmer knowledge in your statement? Everybody could draw these conclusions. I hoped a lot that you would go more into detail.

Furthermore: Comment #4 could get interesting as well

Being a programmer myself, I wouldnt be surprised if a rogue programmer built in a trojan sequence to activate when Phil Helmuth plays and for a very unique hand circumstance....

Just a thought.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Their quality control process must be non-existant.

Wonder if he understands now just what he was in for.

(a) That such a fundamental 'glitch' could even happen is so LOL.
(b) Hellmuth's reponse is appalling.

(c) But this part is just roflcopter... what are they, working out of some kid's basement and using their dad's credit cards??

Cliffs: F UB.

Guys, the only glitch/bug that's going on here is that they are beta testing new super user methods where instead of just letting them see the cards they just get shipped the pot out right. They're still working out the kinks to it and this won't happen again.

Oh yeah, if you play UB you can't really cry about this you just have to view it as the risk of playing on UB being realized.

Being someone who studied programming but went into another field, I wouldn't be surprised if UB insiders are once again cheating their players. Gee, what a coincidence that it happened to Phil Hellmuth and nobody else! UB got caught, AP got caught. No reason to give anybody there the benefit of the doubt.

That site needs to be closed down.