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Old 12-20-2008, 08:26 PM   #301
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Re: Ultimate Bet WTF? (Hellmuth has worse hand, but pot gets shipped to him anyway)

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DOUBLEBALLER: it keeps knocing me off
DOUBLEBALLER: saying i missed 3 blinds
DOUBLEBALLER: wtf?
I think the fact that this bizarre, unique disconnect glitch was happening at the same time as the bizarre, unique pot awarding glitch tells us that the two are very likely to be related.

I know little about programming, but my guess is that some small part of the software thought Doubleballer was disconnected. The main part of the program was functioning normally right up until it was time to award the pot. The program makes sure it has all of its ducks in a row before shipping the pot. That's when it reads that Doubleballer was removed from the table due to missing his blind. Result: pot shipped to only remaining player despite what everything else says.

In this scenario there is no cheating going on, but Hellmuth still looks horrible because of his lack of concern over the situation. UB looks bad too, but that's standard for them.
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Old 12-20-2008, 08:27 PM   #302
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Re: Ultimate Bet WTF? (Hellmuth has worse hand, but pot gets shipped to him anyway)

Phil Hellmuth isn't gonna steal a few thousand dollar pot in front of the railtards, hand replay sites and his opponent, get some perspective.

Clearly a software screw up and yeah it's Phil's fault that he's associated with the crappy site, but it doesn't mean he's a crook.
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Old 12-20-2008, 08:35 PM   #303
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Re: Ultimate Bet WTF? (Hellmuth has worse hand, but pot gets shipped to him anyway)

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r u serious?

I can't believe I'm even answering this post.

I played a hand against him online before wsop. I ran into him at the Word series and we discussed the said hand.

Maybe the UB guys who pretend to be him, update him on all the played hands, too.

I'm not being rude but you really sound like an idiot.

sorry for hijack
PH was actually caught out a few months ago when he was on a live radio broadcast at the same time as his account was in action. He said it was a one-off mistake.

I don't believe it's never Phil, but I'm not sure that it's always Phil.

(I'm not trying to defend that other poster's posts, I'm just saying I suspect it might not always be him).
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Old 12-20-2008, 08:38 PM   #304
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Re: Ultimate Bet WTF? (Hellmuth has worse hand, but pot gets shipped to him anyway)

well the weird post 3 blinds thing most likely is connected to the pot going to phil problem. and, as some of you stated, regardless wheather phil has anything to do with the pot going to him its obvious that he has noticed it and acted classless as always....

to get to the tecnical issue:
I've been programming software for quite a time and really really weird bugs happen. some of you stated that he might have a different client, but the client should have absolutley nothing to to with dealer issues (would be a crazy security leak!). since we are talking about someone like helmuth, who in my opinion would do anything to prove he can play poker with the best and win (which he is not able to) and a site like UB i would say it is way more likely that there is some fraudulent activity involved than a random bug that appeared only once in a lifetime especially to helmuth AND he didn't even react suprised AT all. software tweaks that allow fraud woul'd be quite a descent failure source because they are very unlikely to be checked by many employees and especially not by gaming comissions.

since UB is a licenced casino, did anyone of you write to company providing the license and got a response? i really wanna know what THEY have got to say about that, since it is their trustworthiness that suffers even more imho.
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Old 12-20-2008, 08:40 PM   #305
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Re: Ultimate Bet WTF? (Hellmuth has worse hand, but pot gets shipped to him anyway)

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Phil Hellmuth isn't gonna steal a few thousand dollar pot in front of the railtards, hand replay sites and his opponent, get some perspective.

Clearly a software screw up and yeah it's Phil's fault that he's associated with the crappy site, but it doesn't mean he's a crook.

Oh and poker sites won't cheat. Why would they when they get so much rake!.

It is obvious the cheating software screwed up. It was supposed to give Phil Hellmuth the win with a full house 2's full. Instead the chaeting software glitched shipped him the pot without changing his original hole cards.

He brags about a 10 day winning streak at a game he admits sucking at online poker.
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Old 12-20-2008, 08:41 PM   #306
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Re: Ultimate Bet WTF? (Hellmuth has worse hand, but pot gets shipped to him anyway)

More than likely their code edits for superusers changed when Cereus was born. Every person on the planet that makes a living off 5/10 limit or higher would give their left nut to play PH and these scammers know it so it only makes sense to enable the biggest target to be a cheat.

I remember Annie Duke saying in an interview that they (the people who own UB) can do whatever they want because US laws can't stop them so ROFL at any person who is saying "as if they would do it again". If your first thought isn't some kind of money scheming "conspiracy" theory than you are a fkn idiot and I hope you lose your entire life savings on this site.
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Old 12-20-2008, 08:43 PM   #307
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Re: Ultimate Bet WTF? (Hellmuth has worse hand, but pot gets shipped to him anyway)

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If it didn't ship you must acquit.

Jackie said it all.....next thread
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Old 12-20-2008, 08:45 PM   #308
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Re: Ultimate Bet WTF? (Hellmuth has worse hand, but pot gets shipped to him anyway)

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Oh and poker sites won't cheat. Why would they when they get so much rake!.

It is obvious the cheating software screwed up. It was supposed to give Phil Hellmuth the win with a full house 2's full. Instead the chaeting software glitched shipped him the pot without changing his original hole cards.

He brags about a 10 day winning streak at a game he admits sucking at online poker.
Agreed.

I had left the play of the hand itself out of my parlay summary post above, as well as Phil's reaction afterwards.

Add in the fact that PH played a ragged hand like T2o in such an extraordinary manner, and then tried to brush off the whole event, the parlay is probably approaching one in a trillion.
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Old 12-20-2008, 08:46 PM   #309
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Re: Ultimate Bet WTF? (Hellmuth has worse hand, but pot gets shipped to him anyway)

Another thing just occurred to me. DOUBLEBALLER said he was playing more than one game. Is it possible that the odd messages about not posting blinds related to a table he had long since forgotten about, but which was still open on his computer? Just a thought.
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Old 12-20-2008, 08:48 PM   #310
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Re: Ultimate Bet WTF? (Hellmuth has worse hand, but pot gets shipped to him anyway)

just posting so i remember to come back and check for updates.

and ya, lol at ppl who still play on ub/ap
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Old 12-20-2008, 08:50 PM   #311
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Re: Ultimate Bet WTF? (Hellmuth has worse hand, but pot gets shipped to him anyway)

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moral of the story: DONT PLAY ON ANY ONLINE POKER SITES

Obv. they can ALL do it!!!
Thanks for ur post. Very interesting to read.
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Old 12-20-2008, 08:51 PM   #312
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Re: Ultimate Bet WTF? (Hellmuth has worse hand, but pot gets shipped to him anyway)

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Another thing just occurred to me. DOUBLEBALLER said he was playing more than one game. Is it possible that the odd messages about not posting blinds related to a table he had long since forgotten about, but which was still open on his computer? Just a thought.
The other game I was playing was on a different site. I was sitting at other tables at UB at the time (I sit from 30/60-300/600 all HU tables and wait for games), but all 1-1 tables, so that message about missing blinds should never appear at my tables for any reason.
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Old 12-20-2008, 08:54 PM   #313
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Re: Ultimate Bet WTF? (Hellmuth has worse hand, but pot gets shipped to him anyway)

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I was in a O8 pot that was split wrong on ub once. It was a long time ago, prob '04 or '05. Support refunded my money, but didnt seem particularly concerned. Of course, there's different management now, and they're committed to the player. So I wouldnt worry about it.
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Old 12-20-2008, 09:03 PM   #314
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Re: Ultimate Bet WTF? (Hellmuth has worse hand, but pot gets shipped to him anyway)

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The hand was played terribly by Phil

Button Raise = fine
4th bet = terrible but not the worst play yet
flop bet = fine
flop call of raise = throwing money away
paired on turn = if you played it this bad gotta call down now but he raises here which is terrible.
river = after putting this much in has to call. (can't have pot shipped if you don't call)

I'm not a limit specialist but i can't see any competent player taking these lines against any player unless you were tilting badly. Talking about odds, add this hand into the mix makes it that much more weird.

If it was a glitch. Phil handled it about as poorly as you could.
I think this post says it all! The hand was played terrible and if it is a glitch it

1. Happened to a guy that has interest in the site.

2. Played absolutely terrible by the greatest player ever!

3. Has never happened before on the site and if I lose with 3 kings ....trips whatever Im checking the hand history.

Is it possible he has control of changing his hand in the middle of the hand and forgot to change his cards. I just cant see him playing this hand that badly. IDK though he is major dipchit

And for the record I am calling him a cheat until he proves otherwise. If we brought this to court in front of a judge Phil Jr. would have to post bail. Would love to see Phil's ass in jail on the receiving end of the pole instead of his dumbass driving into one in UB car.
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Old 12-20-2008, 09:13 PM   #315
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Re: Ultimate Bet WTF? (Hellmuth has worse hand, but pot gets shipped to him anyway)

While I haven't read much of this thread, I am reasonably sure it is related to the disconnect glitch. I think it is far more likely the "new" software thought he wasn't at the table any longer and it shipped the pot to the remaining player than phil hellmuth is cheating in anyway.

Phil berates me (and everyone) nonstop at the tables nearly every time I play him, he acts like a baby live and online, he seems truly oblivious to the fact that he acts crazy and plays poorly, but he doesn't seem to be a cheater at all. This seems like a terrible, ridiculous glitch, but it doesn't seem at all like cheating.
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