Obv not a disconnect in the normal sense of the word, but since he got booted from the table for missing 3 blinds something went wrong. He may not have "disconnected" but for some reason the program thought he was

Phil and Annie are getting paid a ton of money and they don't even care that the product is shady. That's what bothers me the most. Annie only went before Congress to save her paycheck from UB. If they lose US market they will have no use for Phil or Annie. She doesn't win anything to make a living in poker without UB. Phil likes the movie star treatment he gets from UB thats why he won't give that gig up.

I wish Congress would ask Annie to come back and explain why she hasn't left UB after all the bs she told them.

Poker is a game of skill = except on UB!!!

I agree. If we go forward with the assumption this is a non-malicious problem with the site, it could be one of the obvious options:

- problem with hand ranking algorithm / module : if this is the case, I can't see how it would go unnoticed for long.

- before awarding the pot, the system makes sure the player is still connected, somehow the state of the system has him as 'not connected' : this one is more reasonable, as it could arise from a very specific network problem on their end, and may not have been covered by their testing.

- Phil Hellmuth plays on a slightly modified client/server (not for cheating purposes). It could have a different interface, perhaps just a big picture of himself, or whatever. The code for it may have been cloned from another client, but some stupid change fuxored it.

I highly doubt it is so simple. A small change in something completely unrelated could have wiped out a random spot of memory, and a million other scenarios.

I sure am glad I don't have to find this bug.

I think we can take this as the official word of Ultimate Bet. the lying scumbag cheaters are trying to coveru0p even more cheating.

Obviuosly the software was supposed to give Phil a hand like a full house to win. Something happened to make it show the real cards dealt to Phil.

The cheating on poker sites is unreal.

If Phil is going to have a phone conversation with anyone about this it should be with the player concerned. There's no reason for Phil to be having to field phone calls from 2+2ers about this.

You sir, are a ****ing moron

It is so hard to fake a screen shot of text

moral of the story: DONT PLAY ON ANY ONLINE POKER SITES

Obv. they can ALL do it!!!

To some of the people in here saying it's made up, I got a response from UB support to my email quoted above:



Dear Mr. Schneider,

Thank you for contacting us.

Unfortunately this situation was due to a glitch in the software, however; it has been already corrected. As you know after CEREUS launch we have been experiencing some glitches in our software but our programmers have been working very hard to correct these issues.

Do not hesitate to contact us if you require further assistance or additional information.

Best Regards,

can someone with understanding explain to us in few words how this could happen. Or what is the most likelly that happened? HAS to be some smart computer nurds here.

Well please investigate the screenshot find out how i have altered it and post details in this thread and be a hero Good Luck.

What? I do not play on Ultimate Bet so that is impossible.

LOL I have a feeling you're going to be wrong here

Mark

I dont think calling someone a ****ing moron in this thread is right, its rather obv that the term to use in this one is,,,,,,,,,,, NORTHERN EUROPEAN IDIOT

DaBruce did you have a panic attack after you lost this pot?

When there is one glitch, there are many glitches. It is impossible for this to be an isolated incident.

their stack sizes basically flipped. Have no idea if that's meaningful or not, but it did jump out to me.

Phil Helmuth is probably mad at DaBruce for slowrolling him.

Well, so much for hoping it was fake.

UB Business Plan = pay high profile players a ton of money to hype us. We only make 100k a day off rake that's not enough. Lets steal more from our players and make our hand histories a living hell to get. Now that we got caught we have to change things up a bit. Lets merge and create this new software to trick those idiots into playing on our site again. We will put out this new software before it's ready and then use it for an excuse if we get caught. There aren't any laws where we are so we can do whatever we want. (We can dodge bullets baby). Meeting adjourned!!!

At a final table at UB the software lagged and came back just in time to show me folding pocket kings in the big blind to a raise and two flat callers when we all had 30bbs or less.

Site is honestly rigged imo

Some of you might remember BetFair awarding the wrong players pots when it first opened Omaha back in '06. There was also a thread on 2p2 in the Internet Gambling forums where someone on Absolute playing Razz lost some low hand to a pair. That was right before the UltimateBet scandal first hit though.

However in this case though we have a pretty typical hold'em hand which is the most popular form of poker today. The most likely answer I can find as a programmer (if this is truly a programming error) lies in the fact that the site does not identify what Phil Hellmuth has in the end. Since I don't play on UB/AP I make this assumption from playing on other sites. If this is how it's normally played on UB/AP then ignore all of this.

It may be that the programming logic on the server misidentifies Hellmuth's hand, perhaps because Hellmuth's final 5 card hand does not include the T (KK22J being his played board). So because of this the logic gets confused and decides that Phil's final hand value is 0. And if AP/UB handles hand values in descending order (with the worst hands having the highest value and the best hand, a royal flush, having a value of 1) then it's possible that when the server goes to compare who gets shipped the pot the logic uses this comparison 0<(whatever value trip kings is in the computer) and ships Hellmuth the pot and does not identify what hand he has because the server doesn't know what hand value #0 translates to in English. This wouldn't really explain why it acknowledges the correct winner (unless these two pieces are determined in separate pieces of code) and also doesn't explain why no one else has had these problems (maybe some other parameters need to be met, like it will only happen in a HU hand or a hand with certain cards).

I am curious to know what the actual glitch was?

I am no programming expert but it would seem to me that they tell the server what hands beat what, and if one player has a better hand then they allocate the pot to that player?

I mean what kind of glitch could have caused this? Some random thing where 1 in every 7826584365386 hands just gets shipped to the wrong guy, and the biggest name on the site happens to be that guy who gets awarded the pot on htis occasion?

The whole thing is bizzarre.

I guess?

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