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11-12-2008, 03:24 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,220
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Re: UIGEA Is Final
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Originally Posted by TomDwan1
so basically from Jan 09' american's can no longer play online poker legally?
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legal to play. just extremely difficult to fund your account
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11-12-2008, 03:25 PM
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#17
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journeyman
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 238
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Re: UIGEA Is Final
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Originally Posted by TomDwan1
so basically from Jan 09' american's can no longer play online poker legally?
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January 2010.... goes into effect 2009. Hopefully Obama will exec order this into the ground!
GOBAMA.
[IMG]  [/IMG]
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11-12-2008, 03:25 PM
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#18
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enthusiast
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Live Pokerz
Posts: 75
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Re: UIGEA Is Final
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Originally Posted by riverdance
legal to play. just extremely difficult to fund your account
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God, This is like the worst scenario for someone thats not from the US.
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11-12-2008, 03:26 PM
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#19
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enthusiast
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 84
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Re: UIGEA Is Final
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Originally Posted by riverdance
legal to play. just extremely difficult to fund your account
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not to mention navigating when the site is blocked by your ISP
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11-12-2008, 03:26 PM
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#20
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: PARTY PRIME!!!!!!
Posts: 13,607
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Re: UIGEA Is Final
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Commenters requested that the Agencies clarify that Congress did not intend for the Act to block lawful gaming transactions such as skill games, that the definition of “unlawful Internet gambling” does not include skill games, and that the system designed to stop the flow of funds to unlawful Internet gambling operations does not include businesses operating skill games on the Internet.23 Commenters also suggested application of a dominant factor test as a means of distinguishing a skill game from a game subject to chance.24 Commenters asserted that, under the dominant factor test, a game whose outcome is determined predominantly by chance would be a game subject to chance, and a game whose outcome is determined predominantly by skill would be a skill game not covered by the Act or the regulation.25 Commenters also stated that “subject to chance” is meant to cover games like roulette or slots where persons bet against the “house” and success is determined entirely by chance as opposed to games where individuals compete against one another with success over time being determined by skill.26 Commenters also asserted that poker is a game of skill and not of chance.27 Other commenters asserted that games like traditional poker and bridge are games subjeto chance based on the “luck of the draw” via the random shuffling and dealing of cards.28 These commenters asserted that unlike traditional poker and bridge, games like duplicate poker and duplicate bridge are skill games, because the luck of the draw is completely eliminated
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Wow, I never bought into the conspiracy theories, but the only people who would leave a comment like this would be lobbies for Brick and Mortar and/or NFL etc.
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11-12-2008, 03:26 PM
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newbie
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 43
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Re: UIGEA Is Final
Who on this forum voted for the Republicans? Please raise your hands.
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11-12-2008, 03:27 PM
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#22
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grinder
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 510
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Re: UIGEA Is Final
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Originally Posted by Tony Lepatata
I just called my uncle Hyman in Israel. He's got a place for me to stay in Haifa. Already booked my El Al flight Jan 18, 2009.
GG US
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if you see a Fiat coming at you or your bus at 60+ mph, run like you've never ran before
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11-12-2008, 03:28 PM
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#23
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: PARTY PRIME!!!!!!
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Re: UIGEA Is Final
And this is where we get owned:
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The fact that Congress used “subject to chance” in one paragraph and “predominantly subject to chance” in the next paragraph in the same subsection suggests that Congress intended the element of chance in "game subject to chance" to be less than predominant. The Agencies believe that if Congress had intended chance to be the predominant factor in determining the outcome of a "game subject to chance," Congress would have inserted the word “predominantly” as it did subsequently in the same section. Therefore, even if chance is not the predominant factor in the outcome of a game, but was still a significant factor, the game could still be deemed to be a "game subject to chance" under a plain reading of the Act.
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Although they said that the Act is not supposed to over ride State law... sigh
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11-12-2008, 03:28 PM
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#24
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 10,780
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Re: UIGEA Is Final
PPA needs a statement from the Obama camp on what they plan to do.
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11-12-2008, 03:30 PM
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#25
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old hand
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: NL
Posts: 1,703
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Re: UIGEA Is Final
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Originally Posted by sh00ter
if this is the bottom line this is seriously f****d. I'd be in shock but I'm not in the USA, still sucks though. WTF
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^^^^
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11-12-2008, 03:31 PM
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#26
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veteran
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 3,117
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Re: UIGEA Is Final
Can someone explain in layman terms what this does to US players? Will they be able to play? Will they be able to withdraw money once UIGEA is final and still get those checks accepted by the banks? Will the US casual players be able to deposit money to donk off?
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11-12-2008, 03:31 PM
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#27
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grinder
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 510
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Re: UIGEA Is Final
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Originally Posted by The4thFilm
PPA needs a statement from the Obama camp on what they plan to do.
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you really think Obama will personally do anything about or even care about this?
I can't wait till he is the president and nothing changes and everyone realizes he isn't god
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11-12-2008, 03:31 PM
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#28
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enthusiast
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Live Pokerz
Posts: 75
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Re: UIGEA Is Final
This is the first sign (of many more to come) that online poker is in trouble imo
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11-12-2008, 03:31 PM
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#29
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: PARTY PRIME!!!!!!
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Re: UIGEA Is Final
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Under the final rule, the term "restricted transaction" would not include funds going to a gambler, and would only include funds going to an Internet gambling business.
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Semi-good news.
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11-12-2008, 03:33 PM
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#30
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veteran
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 2,432
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Re: UIGEA Is Final
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Finally, the final rule, like the proposed rule, does not define "unlawful Internet gambling" beyond the Act's definition. Numerous commenters addressed the implementation and compliance problems created by the Act's definition of "unlawful Internet gambling" and requested that the Agencies provide greater clarity regarding this term.10 The Agencies carefully considered these comments, as well as the challenges of creating a regulatory definition of a term encompassing the various Federal and State laws affecting Internet gambling. After consulting with the Department of Justice and representatives from the offices of several State attorneys general regarding this issue, the Agencies have determined that a single, regulatory definition of "unlawful Internet gambling" would not be practical. The Act's definition of "unlawful Internet gambling" relies on underlying Federal and State gambling laws.
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So the legality of online poker is still not answered, great.
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