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07-13-2008, 12:21 PM
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#76
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See my coaching listing
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Canada
Posts: 5,399
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Re: The UB Scandal Continues
I giggle whenever UB sends me an email or calls me to deposit on their site again.
Yea, right.
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07-13-2008, 12:24 PM
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#77
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grinder
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Maryland
Posts: 676
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Re: The UB Scandal Continues
I hope that 60 Minutes will add personnel to the story, with what Nat brought out during the night. If the Justice dept makes a move on Russ Hamilton/UB, the timing of their story will have to be bumped up.
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07-13-2008, 12:25 PM
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#78
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banned
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: 3 betsville
Posts: 829
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Re: The UB Scandal Continues
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Originally Posted by beanie
If indeed all of this is true (and even for me it looks quite damning). You would be vastly overrating what I could possibly do.
I am certainly reading and I have contributed to this thread and the other and will continue as it is relevant but it seems most of the work here has been done.
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Beanie, i at least give you credit for finally realizing what all the evidence entails. Its hard to admit people who are your friends are really responsible for stealing on this level. I do not expect you to hand deliver russ or anything, but can you tell us if hes aware of this thread? Is he still in the country? You have a group of poker friends that are all in the know. Surely there is something productive that you can contribute to this situation. One time beanie!
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07-13-2008, 12:26 PM
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#79
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grinder
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 524
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Re: The UB Scandal Continues
I had a dream last night of congress calling Annie Duke back and doing her like Rapheal Palmero...
I wonder if she perjured herself with her testimony before congress?
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07-13-2008, 12:31 PM
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#80
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Florida
Posts: 11,632
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Re: The UB Scandal Continues
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Originally Posted by Phntm
I had a dream last night of congress calling Annie Duke back and doing her like Rapheal Palmero...
I wonder if she perjured herself with her testimony before congress?
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Her testimony had nothing to do with cheating. It was moreso on the luck:skill ratio of poker.
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07-13-2008, 12:33 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: BluffLand
Posts: 1,394
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Re: The UB Scandal Continues
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Originally Posted by ElectricHaZ3
I do not expect you to hand deliver russ or anything, but can you tell us if hes aware of this thread?
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It has been a few days since we spoke. I assume he is aware of it, but I do not know this for fact.
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Originally Posted by ElectricHaZ3
Is he still in the country?
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I have no idea.
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Originally Posted by ElectricHaZ3
You have a group of poker friends that are all in the know. Surely there is something productive that you can contribute to this situation. One time beanie!
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I live in Minnesota. My friends are mostly onliners. So sadly I don't think there is much help that I can provide.
Like most people I would assume this has gained a fair amount of legal attention at this point. So I am comfortable letting them do their job.
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07-13-2008, 12:37 PM
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#82
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banned
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: 3 betsville
Posts: 829
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Re: The UB Scandal Continues
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Originally Posted by beanie
It has been a few days since we spoke. I assume he is aware of it, but I do not know this for fact.
I have no idea.
I live in Minnesota. My friends are mostly onliners. So sadly I don't think there is much help that I can provide.
Like most people I would assume this has gained a fair amount of legal attention at this point. So I am comfortable letting them do their job.
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any idea who is reviewing this specifically? fbi?
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07-13-2008, 12:38 PM
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#83
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banned
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: vagina
Posts: 388
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Re: The UB Scandal Continues
beanie how do explain the fact that you were killing UB back in the days with your daily mtt tourney takedowns? Pure skills or?
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Originally Posted by beanie
It has been a few days since we spoke. I assume he is aware of it, but I do not know this for fact.
I have no idea.
I live in Minnesota. My friends are mostly onliners. So sadly I don't think there is much help that I can provide.
Like most people I would assume this has gained a fair amount of legal attention at this point. So I am comfortable letting them do their job.
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07-13-2008, 12:40 PM
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#84
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Florida
Posts: 11,632
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Re: The UB Scandal Continues
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It has been a few days since we spoke. I assume he is aware of it, but I do not know this for fact.
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Care to share what he has said about this whole situation?
Were/are you assisting him in covering up his name from the ordeal?
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07-13-2008, 12:43 PM
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#85
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banned
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: 3 betsville
Posts: 829
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Re: The UB Scandal Continues
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Originally Posted by TeddyBender
beanie how do explain the fact that you were killing UB back in the days with your daily mtt tourney takedowns? Pure skills or?
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This is just my opinion, but here it is. Now isnt the time to indict beanie or anyone else, we have solid evidence against one person. once he falls whoever else responsible will fall as well. I think russ is the ring leader in the entire thing. also, i remember beanie from like 2003 till now and its fair to say that he had success on all sites. But i wont completely rule out anything anymore.
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07-13-2008, 12:43 PM
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#86
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old hand
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Australia
Posts: 1,879
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Re: The UB Scandal Continues
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Originally Posted by Mookman5
Vizer, heck of a job, thx for doing the stuff not many wanted to take time to do. I am a micro stakes player, and currently have some money on UB. I am only there b/c I self-excluded myself from Stars and Full Tilt. I vow that every SNG I play and every MTT i enter i will tel everyone. If there is anything I can do to help, get anything organized, let me know. That way by the time the WSOP airs on ESPN, everyone will see Hellmuth in UB jersey and think what an ---- for playing on that cheat site
ps--vizer, wanna share that juicy gossip if Nat gives it up?
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I think you should just withdraw whatever money you have on the site. Besides not paying them rake and sending them a message - the fact these scammers have your contact info and can monitor your chat/holecards, you'd be doing yourself a disservice and probably just look like every other raving lunatic to the players.
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07-13-2008, 12:46 PM
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#87
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banned
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: 3 betsville
Posts: 829
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Re: The UB Scandal Continues
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Originally Posted by Injection
I think you should just withdraw whatever money you have on the site. Besides not paying them rake and sending them a message - the fact these scammers have your contact info and can monitor your chat/holecards, you'd be doing yourself a disservice and probably just look like every other raving lunatic to the players.
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this message must be spread. word of mouth gentleman
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07-13-2008, 12:46 PM
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#88
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veteran
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Bruce Le > Bruce Li
Posts: 2,860
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Re: The UB Scandal Continues
This is an important question that has yet to be asked.
Nat, how robust is the information coming from the whistleblower? Did he/she provide you with screenshots or other verifiable data, or did he just tell you this stuff? Can you verify that he/she works or worked for UB?
This is important because if UB wanted to discredit the efforts of the public investigation of the cheating scandal, pumping in false information that could later be disproved would be a great way to do it. We all trust that you are legit, but how can we be sure that your anonymous informer is on the up and up.
EDIT: Also, without verifiable proof to back up some of the info you've released, UB could take a stance of plausible denial and claim that it's just your word against theirs. That argument might not hold much weight here, but it would hold weight with tv advertisers, paid sponsors, etc.
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07-13-2008, 12:47 PM
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#89
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banned
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: 3 betsville
Posts: 829
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Re: The UB Scandal Continues
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Originally Posted by Moneyline
This is an important question that has yet to be asked.
Nat, how robust is the information coming from the whistleblower? Did he/she provide you with screenshots or other verifiable data, or did he just tell you this stuff? Can you verify that he/she works or worked for UB?
This is important because if UB wanted to discredit the efforts of the public investigation of the cheating scandal, pumping in false information that could later be disproved would be a great way to do it. We all trust that you are legit, but how can we be sure that your anonymous informer is on the up and up.
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he hasnt said what this new info is. The other leak im sure was legit. nat wouldnt post unless it was 100%. 0 doubt
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07-13-2008, 12:50 PM
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#90
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Florida
Posts: 11,632
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Re: The UB Scandal Continues
Nat
Did you only get the name on those 3 accounts or did you get any other names/addresses?
Any of them in Minnesota?
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