Dan, I have great admiration for your accomplishments and moreso your behavior.

The way I understand it, some folks will collect on our behalf.

The way i remember their tactics, they make sure they cant cheat us again.

The pukes at UB will learn a little too late.

Ever see the movie Casino ? Remember the guys who skimmed ? They arent around anymore.

Most things Italian are best served after they have cooled to room temp.

I knda think the clowns who ripped us off will be room temperature soon enough.

PLEASE how can we forget?And as long as the entire list of super-users isnt made public we cant move on as well.....By not giving all the names its clear that something is really really wrong.....Its just unbelieveble that this site is still in action,i am the first to give 2nd chances but then you have to come clean and that mean 100%....now we all know what happend and iff they not said themself that there x-amount of super users we could never know how many,but they where dumb enough to give us a whole list of names and add to it that another list will be made public SOON....LOL@SOON ....we still waiting,BTW i am not expecting money nor do i claim money its just something that we have to keep alive for all those players who lost funds(even most got a refund)As long as we dont have the whole list nobody in the world can know how much they are been cheated.........

WAKE UP CEREUS....TIME IS TICKING......

doesnt anyone think that there are more people in on this?

I mean for **** sake, no one can find Helmuth and corner his ass?

What a joke,

Has any one who lost money filed suit against UB? Why not get a lawyer and file a class action fraud suit and clean them out?

88 screennames, who really cares at this point.

Its the owners of the screennames we need, they have released one as far as I know and that is that scumbag RUSS HAMILTON.

Was his name on all 88 names? SO UNLIKELY!

Good luck finding this info, i'd bet Jimmy Hoffa will be easier to find.

how do you expect to sue a company that is not even regulated by the us government, and u cant prove anything

CereusBoycott.com is available

can anyone think of a better domain?

maybe someone in who is trusted in the community can buy it, i know someone who i could ask to design it for free and then we can start getting donations.

any computer guys know how to spam AP/UB? would involve changing IPs and new accounts daily prolly.

Well, I don't know how they do things in Canada but the USA is the capitol of lawsuits. Also in a civil case the preponderance of evidence is much lower than a criminal case (if you recall OJ). There seems to be enough evidence to make it onto 60 minutes.

I also played a ton of 10-25 and some 25-50 and 50-100 and didn't table select at all and got 10k back, which I suspect is ridiculous. ;p

Here is my most recent communications with UB inquiring about the complete superuser list, which I don’t think they are every going to provide. Until UB provides the list, no one should play on their site. There is simply no way to be confident that UB is being operated in a proper manner.

--Original Message--
From: titan_14_14@yahoo.com
Date: 12/25/08
To: security@ultimatebet.com
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Superuser Refund [#9957599] - NO RESPONSE TO EARLIER EMAIL

It's been over 2 weeks since your response below and yet no answer to my question or a public statement from UB. If this situation didn't involve so much money and harm to so many people, your ridiculous behavior would be laughable. How do you expect to regain the public's confidence acting like this? And yes, I plan to put all of our communications on the various poker forums, such as 2+2, until UB provides me the complete superuser list. This is my small attempt to provide evidence to the poker community why they should not play on your site.



Dear Mr. __

In both the AP and UB cases, we have undertaken a lengthy and thorough investigation of the cheating, one of the aims of which was to discover every hand in which an account that had the ability to cheat participated. Our own investigation was supplemented by a second inquiry conducted by outside auditors Gaming Associates, Inc., a firm known to uphold the highest standards of integrity and technical competence in forensic gaming analysis.

Further investigation was undertaken by the Kahnawake Gaming Commission, our regulatory body. We – and our independent investigation partners – are absolutely confident that we have found every cheating account, every cheating screen name, and every hand in which cheating took place. We are also absolutely confident that we have refunded every customer who lost money to the cheating accounts.

Although you may have played and lost money during the period in which the cheating occurred, only the hands that were involved in games in which the cheaters participated were refunded their losses. If you have not received a refund, it is because these investigations have all verified the fact that you did not play hands against the cheating accounts.

To understand better how these scandals occurred and how Tokwiro Enterprises responded to them, you might want to check out our website at http://www.tokwiro.com/cheating-scandals.asp. We also encourage you to view a candid interview, conducted by former CBC anchor, Susan Reisler, with our Chief Operating Officer, Paul Leggett, in which Paul discusses every aspect of the scandal accurately. Paul’s interview can be found at http://www.tokwiro.com/videos.asp

If we can be of further assistance, please let us know.

Sincerely,

Leonard
Ultimate Team ~ Security & Control Department


--Original Message--
From: titan_14_14@yahoo.com
Date: 12/27/08
To: security@ultimatebet.com
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Superuser Refund [#9957599] - NO RESPONSE TO EARLIER EMAIL

Does this mean UB is not going to provide the superuser list?

It means they are a bunch of retards at the very least.

they never gave one iota of info with all their investigheytions,KGC investigheytion and NJ dude investigheytion no revelations other than what the guys at 2+2 uncovered means MASSIVE COVER UP imo

The latest ---

Dear ___,

Thank you for choosing UltimateBet

In regards to your previous message we would like to inform you that in the upcoming days UltimateBet will be delivering a public statement that will include the list of the superusers.

Please let us know if you require further assistance.

Best Regards,

Mike
UltimateBet ~ Security Department
'The Ultimate Poker Experience'

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Upcoming days my #%$.

having a software glitch that hands out pots to wrong opponents and now they wont give out a complete super user list, I am with berry on this, they blamed Russ yet there was no explanation on anything of how he was guilty and wont release it, if you wanted to clear your name wouldnt you realease the evidence? Unless there is something super shady going on, They wont release superuser list until recently, thats super shady they prolly need to figure out which superusers went undetected and make sure they are not on that list. they are suppose to be a reformed company and now they are having software glitches that gives the loser the pot???? WTF??

this is from tokwiros site about ub
"Our next priority was to implement another layer of security so that we could automatically detect any abnormal winning statistics in real time. This essential layer of security allows us to detect cheating instantly even if a hacker or an internal employee were able to breach our hole card security. We built this intelligence into a new software application that we call our Security Center. We engaged mathematicians and poker experts to help us with the requirements for this extremely important initiative. We have also integrated the automated detection of bots, chip dumping, and multi-accounting into the security center. We also believe strongly in the continual addition of more layers of security to ensure that we are constantly improving in this area and staying on the cutting edge."
So what they are saying is the cheaters cant be stupid and win at 1500 bb /100 now they are going to have to grind out there profit like the rest of us, LOL, I hate these scum bags, boycott!

Still no list. I send this email message today ---

When -- oh when -- are you going to release the screen names of all the superusers? Your actions up to this point have been laughable. I send you the same request over and over and you continue to lie to me that the list will be coming soon. Moreover, I have little doubt that even if you do release the names, all the information will not be included. Oh yeah, I'm sure that you won't even consider releasing the actual names of the people who were behind the superuser accounts.

Why anyone would ever play on your site until you come completely clean is beyond me. Your site robbed people -- plain and simple. And I, for one, do not intend to forget and come back to your site. A reputable casino would never let a situation like this be handle the way you have done so. Cheats like Ultimate Bet are why America will probably never retreat from its laws on online poker.

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I would be interested to hear from someone why they are still playing on UB.