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04-26-2017 , 09:57 AM
So all that nonsense about calories don't matter, I doing a Keto diet, has quite rightly got binned.

Given the portion sizes he is used to, restricting to 1500 calories is going to be quite a shock and a challenge. For starter, no more restaurant meals Jaime.
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04-26-2017 , 12:20 PM
That's far too low a calorie intake IMO for a guy Jaime's size. And with him being a lazy big baby this is too extreme for him.

Double it and do intense cardio would be far better for him in the long run towards getting him truly in shape. Then you can start knocking off ~300 calories every couple of months to keep up the 'gainz'.

For a guy his size this is basically just starving himself thin, which is just a poor long term option. Although given how lazy and weak minded he is maybe it's the only shot he has at achieving this.
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04-26-2017 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Big Vern
That's far too low a calorie intake IMO for a guy Jaime's size. And with him being a lazy big baby this is too extreme for him.

Double it and do intense cardio would be far better for him in the long run towards getting him truly in shape. Then you can start knocking off ~300 calories every couple of months to keep up the 'gainz'.

For a guy his size this is basically just starving himself thin, which is just a poor long term option. Although given how lazy and weak minded he is maybe it's the only shot he has at achieving this.
It's not that low if he's selective about what he eats, lean protein and veg are filling and low calorie. Not exactly exciting to eat chicken/fish/broccoli every day but the guy's doing a prop bet. If he tries eating 1500 calories of what he'd normally eat then yeah, it'd feel like a starvation diet.

There's probably a much better chance of him sticking to a healthy low calorie meal plan than starting/sticking to "intense cardio"!
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04-26-2017 , 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Big Vern
That's far too low a calorie intake IMO for a guy Jaime's size. And with him being a lazy big baby this is too extreme for him.

Double it and do intense cardio would be far better for him in the long run towards getting him truly in shape. Then you can start knocking off ~300 calories every couple of months to keep up the 'gainz'.

For a guy his size this is basically just starving himself thin, which is just a poor long term option. Although given how lazy and weak minded he is maybe it's the only shot he has at achieving this.
People with a lot of fat mass won't have a much higher metabolism than a regular skinny person would. Jaime has very little muscle, it wouldn't surprise me if his regular TDEE (totaly daily expenditure) is 2500kcal (could easily be less) excluding "extra cardio".

I agree that 1500kcal would be considered a bit extreme this early in a diet but we're forgetting the slight detail that he actually is on a timer here. He needs to burn off 100lbs+ in a ****ing year. This is a marathon bet which he needs to sprint.
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04-26-2017 , 01:34 PM
Right so 3000 calorie intake with 1000 burned with cardio for a total of 2000, that would have him in a deficit for certain. Then you can tweak it further down the road.

Doing it that way he can actually eat a substantial amount so it isn't a huge shock to his system. He will just be miserable and whining like a little girl on 1500 calories. Also as I said before he doesn't need the keto BS. A normal healthy and balanced diet would do the job far better and is far more sustainable long term.

Of course intense cardio would be a shock to him too, at first. But after a month or so it will become routine and easier. But most importantly the exercise will start to make him feel infinitely better and on a true road to fitness.
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04-26-2017 , 01:57 PM
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Right so 3000 calorie intake with 1000 burned with cardio for a total of 2000, that would have him in a deficit for certain. Then you can tweak it further down the road.

Doing it that way he can actually eat a substantial amount so it isn't a huge shock to his system. He will just be miserable and whining like a little girl on 1500 calories. Also as I said before he doesn't need the keto BS. A normal healthy and balanced diet would do the job far better and is far more sustainable long term.

Of course intense cardio would be a shock to him too, at first. But after a month or so it will become routine and easier. But most importantly the exercise will start to make him feel infinitely better and on a true road to fitness.
Come on, you'd need insane discipline to go from no exercise to 1000 calories worth of added cardio per day just like that.
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04-26-2017 , 02:05 PM
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Come on, you'd need insane discipline to go from no exercise to 1000 calories worth of added cardio per day just like that.
isnt that the point of the bet though? The bet wasn't made bc it was going to be easy, or not require an insane amount of discipline
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04-26-2017 , 02:27 PM
Jaime's time for big bone/slow metabolism/too busy excuses is over. He has a bet to win (and health to improve).

It is now simply a problem of math and will. Does he have the "heart and commitment" to burn X more calories per day through reduced consumption and increased activity to see him lose over 100 pounds in under a year. If yes, he wins. If no, he loses.

Jaime is his own "SuperUser" as the bet is 100% in his power to win.
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04-26-2017 , 03:26 PM
I am a person trying to cut out diet soda myself. When I used to drink diet soda a lot I noticed that it would make me really hungry. IDK if its just the body reaction to it but after consuming diet coke I would start eating tons of stuff. Would probably be in Jamie's best interest to limit the diet sodas. Drink Carbonated water instead if you need something bubbly.
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04-26-2017 , 03:39 PM
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It is now simply a problem of math and will. Does he have the "heart and commitment" to burn X more calories per day through reduced consumption and increased activity to see him lose over 100 pounds in under a year. If yes, he wins. If no, he loses.
I think Jaime has the heart, but the commitment will be the biggest obstacle for him to overcome. He is certainly qualified, though.
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04-27-2017 , 10:30 PM
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I think Jaime has the heart, but the commitment will be the biggest obstacle for him to overcome. He is certainly qualified, though.
He is qualified for sure, now he just needs to get on his bike
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04-28-2017 , 12:36 AM
There was a bit of an update for Matt's side of the prop bet in Jaime's vlog today - he's in most of the vlogs, but guess since they're Jaime's, they hardly ever show Matt eating?

Today though the three brothers were on the road from Austria to their new place in Croatia, and guess the camera was able to cover Matt's snacking - guess he ate two or three larger-sized individual bags of chips on the trip?

So still eating fatty carbs ...


Today's vid didn't have a lot of food preparation or poker - but it was a lovely vid of three of them spending some quality time together, with their shared history, and brotherly dynamics, with like some mild trolling and stuff ... found it more entertaining than some of the shows that were on tv tonight Some pretty shots of the countryside on their trip as well!
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05-02-2017 , 12:38 AM
Looks like the vlogs are back


Some highlights:
  • they're going to be in Croatia for the next 50 days, and it looks beautiful! With the sea/ocean, and the historic architecture, and all the beachside cafes, etc.
  • Jaime's breathing has improved and he feels a lot more energetic (weight loss: currently -15lbs)
  • guess now trainer wants him to start counting ... macros?
  • and Jaime's mind coach feels it would be +EV to buy a treadmill or stepper, even if they'll only be using it for 50 days so it'll be easier to fit in workouts?
  • also they're hoping to find someone to prepare food - Matt's supposed to be eating 6 times a day
  • and then Jaime plans on streaming every day during SCOOP, so time will be a bit tighter
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05-02-2017 , 01:08 AM
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[*] and Jaime's mind coach feels it would be +EV to buy a treadmill or stepper, even if they'll only be using it for 50 days so it'll be easier to fit in workouts?
Seems like a great idea.

gl to the Stapes in SCOOP and more importantly, getting that ****ing exercise.
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05-02-2017 , 07:16 AM
^^^^
Comments on his YouTube videos have become more positive now that people see Jaime is actually "trying" through the use of a trainer's advice as opposed to being delusional about how much and what he was eating as was case for the first month. Calories in must be lower than Calories burned is a reality that cannot be denied.

I hope they succeed.
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05-02-2017 , 07:51 AM
Haven't seen weigh ins in a while now but I think they're still not stepping on the gas enough. Like the treadmill thing, "only here for 50 days". Sure that's nothing living-time-wise, but it is a seventh of the bets total duration. Get a $200 pedal bike or something lol.

Lemme repeat my favorite mantra here: This bet is a marathon which they need to sprint

Wonder if they fully have internalized the idea that the two of them need to be literally the same size in less than a year from now. They should stand in front of a mirror together (no ****) and just look and try to grasp that concept, because I think it's probably a pretty hard thing to ACTUALLY understand.
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05-02-2017 , 11:50 AM
He's just lazy, hoping to win this bet by doing the least amount possible. The guy is delusional and has no chance.

Give it 6 months and the excuses will start rolling in -

"We were just too busy with sitting at home playing Poker to make it happen"

"Matty ice got fed up of eating and I can't do it without him so I quit. Maybe next year chet"

etc
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05-02-2017 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Big Vern
He's just lazy, hoping to win this bet by doing the least amount possible. The guy is delusional and has no chance.

Give it 6 months and the excuses will start rolling in -

"We were just too busy with sitting at home playing Poker to make it happen"

"Matty ice got fed up of eating and I can't do it without him so I quit. Maybe next year chet"

etc
LOL'd hard, wp
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05-13-2017 , 01:10 PM
Some updates, for anyone who maybe hasn't had the time to watch Jaime's daily vlogs but is interested in following Jaime, Matt, and Chris' journey:


The last time there was a weigh-in, they were still in Austria. Since then, they've moved on to Croatia, made a trip to Monte Carlo, and have gotten a coach and a cook.

Jaime's got a lot more energy now, and was even running up stairs, and racing with Matt, which was so lovely to see Maybe kind of proof right there that exercise and eating more veggies and lean meats can make a real difference?
Go Jaime!!

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And then in the last vlog they had a weigh-in - here are the latest numbers:
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vlog


Jaime said he's cut his intake quite a bit, although finding time to exercise with SCOOP going on may be a challenge for the next couple of weeks. But things are coming along. Matt said he's been enjoying the Croatian pork chops and fries that the cook has been making him
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05-13-2017 , 03:03 PM
Awesome work so far gents.
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05-13-2017 , 03:33 PM
Thanks for the updates, Trusty. I can't watch vlogs. Cringy ****. But I was curious how it's going . Even if he doesn't make it, I hope he keeps up at least a better lifestyle than before the bet.
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05-13-2017 , 04:33 PM
3lbs in like two weeks? It should be much more with the 1500 calories restriction and his workouts.
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05-13-2017 , 04:39 PM
He has to have a calorie count of like ~3300 (and I think that's low balling it) to maintain his weight. With 1500, he should be losing 3.5 pounds/week and then add in exercise...
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05-13-2017 , 05:28 PM
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He has to have a calorie count of like ~3300 (and I think that's low balling it) to maintain his weight. With 1500, he should be losing 3.5 pounds/week and then add in exercise...
Its all so predictable and constantly repeating set of events.

They were asked to get a treadmill, initial enthusiasm, then lots of excuses about not being able to get one, and weeks later nothing.

No real cardio, just walking. Initial target 2hrs a day, again initial enthusiasm, then starting to miss target each day, spending time having 3 coffees or sitting in the mall.

And portion sizes....my god they are still huge. They have a cook who isn't a diet specialist, who comes in and just makes piles and piles of food.

At that size on a sensible diet and exercise the weight should be falling off, way more than 2-3 pounds in 2 weeks. The hard part of the bet was always once he got to 220-230 and down, where weight won't just fall off if you don't have a fast metabolism and you have to be really dedicated to your diet and exercise to drop the rest at the continued 2 pounds / week required.

On the other hand little man Staples seems to be taking his side of the bet seriously, but he surely can't eat himself to 220+.

If you taken Staples side of the bet I think you are onto a loser.

If I had the chance to win $150k, I would have hired an in person trainer and nutritionist. They would would organize my schedule and do every work out with me and only cook the meals around that. No extras, no leftovers / seconds. If you look at the behind the scenes footage of the UFC fighers on a weight cut this is exactly what they have. Work out, rest, work out, rest, small meals prepped around that.

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05-13-2017 , 07:26 PM
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Thanks for the updates, Trusty. I can't watch vlogs. Cringy ****. But I was curious how it's going . Even if he doesn't make it, I hope he keeps up at least a better lifestyle than before the bet.
I like the idea of trying to make fitness and eating better more of a priority - and maybe that's something that might be an ongoing challenge for almost everybody? When there's oftentimes so much other stuff going on, and lots of less than healthy food that's so readily available?

And then guess there's the weight loss part and the prop bet with the $ on the line here as well. Jaime hasn't been showing his plates any more, so wasn't sure what to make of those parts - guess it's possible the portions may be larger than aimed-for, or maybe the exercise needs to be tweaked, or maybe is it possible he's hit some sort of plateau?

Am really enjoying the vlogs - haven't placed any side bets, so don't have any $ on the line ... guess am just enjoying seeing the Staples brothers try new things, and explore new places, and stuff like that
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