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Intermittent fasting alongside keto is very effective, but he needs needs needs to count calories, or even have a rough idea of how many he's consuming. Eating in restaurants every day won't do that.

I think as with all big guys he'll lose a lot of weight, and then start to plateau in a month or so, and then he'll be forced to count his cals.

Anyone able to tell us how much he's lost so far, and how many days he's been going?

I don't think they have done the weigh-in yet this week.

Week 1 - 7 pounds
Week 2 - 2 pounds

With rounding total of 10 pounds.

I can't remember how many pounds Matt has put on, a few.

Re: the diet soda controversy


Found these on the internet, so maybe there's articles that say the exact opposite and stuff But ...


Guess the theory for why artificial sweeteners might be as bad as sugar is supposed to be something like - even though there's no calories, peoples' tongues can't tell that it's not real sugar ... and it seems as if other parts of the body might not be able to tell the difference between real and artificial sugar either? So some parts of the body might be responding to them both in the same way, in some ways ... or something like that? (Do Diet Drinks Mess Up Metabolisms?)

And this article tried to sort through all the confusing studies and articles - and it says there was a study done by Purdue that shows that even when people were skinny, diet sodas were shown to increase risks of weight gain and diabetes similar to regular soda, or something like that? But maybe the study might not be reliable, or who knows? The Awful Truth About Diet Soda And Weight Gain, According To Science


Have mentioned this before, but used to be addicted to diet soda after switching from regular soda, and it was super hard to quit. And am now trying to learn more about healthy living, and am going to be trying to eat more veggies and nuts and beans, and exercise more - after being inspired by Jaime and Matt's greater focus on nutrition and fitness! Guess changing habits can take time, and we all try to do the best we can. Maybe Jaime may decide to revisit the diet soda issue in a while, but for now guess his trainer said it was okay?

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"The more Diet Coke, Diet Pepsi, etc you drink, the more weight you gain?"

-- Donald J. Trump, October 15, 2012


"I have never seen a thin person drinking Diet Coke."

-- Donald J. Trump, October 14, 2012

It should be apparent that drinking soda and diet soda are unhealthy choices. To think otherwise is plainly stupid.

Jaime has said he has lost weight before using a ketogenic diet, but apparently he must have gained all the weight back at some point. In my opinion he needs to instead focus on adopting healthy eating habits while maintaining a caloric deficit. Then once he reaches his target weight maintain those healthy eating habits and not worry about calories. When you eat fruits and vegetables you dont have to count calories. I dont think that eating eggs and meat are necessarily bad for you either as long as its not processed food and preferably cooked by yourself at home.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/...the-blue-zones

"True wisdom is less presuming than folly. The wise man doubteth often, and changeth his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubteth not; he knoweth all things but his own ignorance."

Please reconsider the ketogenic diet Jaime.

How the **** are people defending Diet Soda. How can that have positive outcomes vs cutting it out of diet completely.

You trust the soda companies with your health? or the Sugar Cartel? How the **** can you think that keeping it in your diet when you are trying to learn to get away from junk food and become a healthier person is a good idea?

Who care if it has zero calories, how bout a mentality change that **** like that wont have a net positive impact on you besides satisfying a ****ty craving these companies forced upon you in the first place.

Is everyone here defending it cause they weigh 250lbs+?? who here weighs 130-170lbs and drinks diet soda daily multiple times a day? It's just another excuse to keep the addiction up. Anything in moderation is fine, but when you wake up and the first thing you crave is a ****ing soda over a glass of water then common sense should tell you somethings up.

It's both unhealthy and morally wrong to support companies such as coca-cola by buying the products. However, no calories.

It would probably be a little easier for others to see the merit in what you're presenting if you had a less aggressive tone and didn't fill your post with unnecessary expletives.

fwiw I agree with most of what you're saying, but if Jaime has any hope of winning this bet, then trying to cut out the diet soda is probably the least of his concern. It'll take a fair amount of energy and focus just to kick the soda habit, and that's probably better spent monitoring his caloric intake (at least for the purposes of this prop bet).

I'm guessing his trainer said diet soda is okay because diet soda is, again, okay All the articles that have been thrown at me on this topic so far have discussed correlational data: That people who drink artificial sweeteners tend to get/be overweight/obese. I have to repeat myself: This just means that the average drinker of artificially sweetened beverages is in bad health. It does not mean that drinking the sweetened beverages results in bad health.

It's correlations, not causation. It reminds me of when studies showed that omega 3 supplementations may cause cancer because they found that people who took omega 3 had a much higher rate of cancer than people who didn't take omega 3. Does omega 3 cause cancer? NOOO OF COURSE NOT LOL. What happens is that people get cancer or are in high-risk groups then take omega 3 to be more healthy, artificially creating a strong correlation between omega 3 intake and cancer.

Same thing: Diet soda drinkers tend to be fat people. It says nothing about the actual characteristics of diet soda. Study after study shows that diet soda DOES NOTHING to spike insulin in the body. It does not cause cancer. It has zero calories.

Personally I defend diet sodas because 1. I think the truth is important. We shouldn't spread lies and falsehoods about the world and how things work.
2. I drink a lot of diet soda myself, and I find that it helps me get through the day while dieting. I'd be miserable if I just had water all the time, now I can drink tasty stuff at least, even though I can't have much tasty food. It keeps me sane and is an important part of my weight loss diet. It's also perfectly safe (see point (1)).
3. I hate it when people bring physical appearance into discussions over science, as if how someone looks decides the legitimacy of their standpoint. It's childish. fwiw I'm 6ft, 190, sub 10% bodyfat, ****ing jacked bro, and I drink literally over a gallon of artificially sweetened drinks per day. This is absolutely unimportant, since what I argue for is the ****ing truth and I'd rather let reality and truth speak.

You drink 3.7L of diet soda a day and you don't think that will have any negative effect on your mind/body/health overall in the long run?

That is correct. Every major governing body in the world and the weight of the existing scientific data agrees that this is safe. Don't take it up with me, argue it with the FDA, USDA, WHO, EFSA, and every other major nation's governing body instead.

Ahhh the goold old internet diet wisdom. Lol. Loctus only one who is not ******ed.

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I agree with you but couldn't help thinking of this:

Sometimes when a lot of people are on one page, gues it can sort of be a bit ... overwhelming (?) and the messages can maybe all start to sound somewhat familiar?

The second article in my post though actually cited a study that cited other studies that found that drinking diet soda seemed to increase the risk of gaining weight and type 2 diabetes for everybody, no matter their weight? (p5 and 6 of the Purdue study)

Also tried really hard to see things from your point of view - so yeah guess there's always a chance maybe there's articles floating around the internet that say the opposite, or maybe the studies aren't reliable ... or maybe am reading them wrong? lol

It seems though like the study was suggesting a causal connection - although maybe they were reluctant to say so?

Wasn't arguing, and I'm sure everyone automatically assumes I think diet soda is the worst thing in the world for you which I do not think.

I think anyone who drinks that much diet soda, or needs soda is just addicted to sugar. There is also no way it is more beneficial to drink diet soda over water. Also I would say due to the fact that those artificial sugars are incredibly sweet that wouldn't normal food such as fruit and its natural sugars no longer taste as good?

Although it is very limited sample size, I personally don't know anyone who drinks diet soda who already isn't in some way shape or form unhealthy. Anyone I know that lives an active lifestyle stay away from all sodas or soft drinks. They may mix their hard alcohol with soda which would be a moderate amount of the time.

I am sure there are negative consequences to diet soda in the long run maybe we just haven't had it around long enough? I mean you could eat to many carrots and start to cause yourself problems.

Guess we will have to wait for the nano bots to find out!

Over the long run, drinking too many carbonated drinks will likely give you an acid reflux problem.

I have one. Other things I've had to cut back on/cut out are coffee, fatty & spicy foods, citrus and tomato sauces.

Diet coke is clearly not good for your health, but it doesn't make you fat. The only thing that makes you fat is taking in more calories than you burn.

Have been learning lots about health and fitness as this prop bet has gone along, which has been great

Looks like Jaime lost 5.5lbs this week - guess that's even with drinking alcohol, and eating large portions of butter, bacon, ribs and take-out ... does that show that:

• even moderate amounts of exercise can make a huge difference to someone who hasn't been exercising?
• and refined carbs are really that bad - worse than fatty meats and butter?

That he is losing weight means he is expending more energy than he is taking in via foods.

Your first *point is very valid as far as health goes. It likely has more of a small-ish impact on his over-all weight, although simply moving around for a heavy person does burn a decent amount of calories.

Your second *point is one hell of an assumption to make. You could eat a ton of refined carbs and lose weight, and you could eat none and lose weight, and you could eat a moderate amount and lose weight. It's simply not the determining factor.

just look at the diet of centenarians. find me one person on earth who drinks 1gallon of diet soda(or any soft drink) every day and is 100 years old. such a person does not exist on earth.

you can have bacon and eggs for breakfast and you can drink 1-2 glasses of wine everyday and live to be 100 but you aren't making 100 by drinking soda. period.

you are literally demented if you don't think that diet soda is unhealthy for you.

seriously loctus and anyone else drinking soda or diet soda and thinking that's its not unhealthy, its possible you think this because its rotted your brain???

http://therenegadepharmacist.com/die...lar-diet-soda/

What the EPA actually says about aspartame (my emphasis):

https://hero.epa.gov/hero/index.cfm/...rence_id/34722

How dare you bring the quackery of the EPA into this debate in order to discredit the expert testimony of Rich Checkmaker's Internet source of the renegadepharmacist.com?! Do you have any idea who the Renegade Pharmacist is?! Your pathetic scientists and researchers can't hold a candle to the one and only Niraj Niak:

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Doesn't the EPA look over the environment? And the FDA looks over food?

If it's true that the EPA thinks aspartame is bad for the environment, and it's not some internet rumour ... do they maybe mean that it's toxic to trees and fish, or something like that?

Guess just because something's allowed by the government doesn't mean it's healthy - probably they would consider high fructose corn syrup to be 'safe' as well? So maybe it's up to each individual to try and learn what's optimal, and try as hard as they can to stick to it?


Am struggling more with the former right now, it would seem! Like take the Jaime situation - guess if weight loss can be simplified down to calories in < calories out, then this week must he have done one of the following?

• ate less than usual, and exercised more than usual
• ate the same as usual, and exercised more than usual
• ate more than usual, and exercised more than usual?
• (ate less than usual, and exercised less than usual - guess he did go for some walks, so maybe this option can be ruled out?)

Was wondering if maybe it was #2 or 3, but it sounds like Loctus feels it must be #1. Guess for #1 to be true, Jaime's regular meals would have had to be more caloric than what he's been showing on the vids? But he doesn't seem to be calorie counting, so either:

• when he eats a full rack of ribs with bbq sauce, usually he eats fries as well, but cut that out?
• is it true that people eat more when they eat refined carbs, so maybe the meat is helping him stay fuller longer, so he's been able to eat less?

So in that way are carbs not great for a lot of people because it might tend to cause overeating? Is it just refined carbs - are complex carbs like whole grains okay to eat, or is it better to stick to veggies for fibre?

Although guess for some people, maybe gaining weight isn't as much of an issue - Matt's been eating refined carbs like fries and pasta, and instead of gaining weight wound up losing half a pound this week. If he were to start eating just chicken breasts and veggies, would his weight maybe drop down all the way down to something like 120lbs? So in that case, would it be important to eat complex carbs ... even more than meat or veggies?


In any case, guess if Jaime's eating less than usual, but more than would allow someone to drop all the way down to 170lbs, maybe calorie cutting will have to be introduced at some point? Wonder if that'll start requiring him to eat leaner cuts of meat, and more veggies? If he could start doing cardio at some point, guess that should help a great deal as well, if the exercise has played a big part in the weight loss so far. Exercise is great with all those feel-good chemicals that get released - sometimes hard to get going, but then it winds up being so relaxing

find me one person past the age of 90 who drinks a gallon of soda every day. you wont be able to. why is that? is it coincidence that people who live to an old age aren't consuming a gallon of soda everyday? are you really that ignorant to think that drinking soda is healthy for you?

but feel free to keep believing that drinking soda or diet soda is part of a healthy diet. your body your choice.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/03...-dr-pepper.cnn