I heard privateworld is annoyed with him.

Selbst really is insufferable. Thinks the poker world is out to get her.

She also has a guy's haircut

Haha, it's funny to see homophobia here. She's a lesbian and a little masculine, so what?

Hastings does not belong on such a list. I'm sure even his partners in crime are way "less despised" than him. (Townsend, Cole South)

Selbst - she is basically a smarter but less funny Hellmuth.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...today-1452631/

This is why I don't really think she belongs on any least despised list. I couldn't care less about her sexual orientation, or the tomboy look.


Using your status with the media to slam a regular guy as sexist when he's clearly not being so makes you an *******.

Juanda and Luske were the first few that came to my mind

Moneymaker for making it all happen, ldo

I'm talking about the people who do care about that. And I don't think you could put any women on this list because there will be men out there who hate them for being better at poker than them. Thus, they aren't really the "least despised," even if it's for stupid reasons.

Phil Laak
David Benefield
Joseph Cheong
Dominik Panka
Johnny Lodden

are all likeable

Who the hell doesn't like Huck Seed or Gabe?

You're going to hell. Bad luck.

She's a good example of how small poker is. The guy talking about having bigger aspirations hit the nail on the head. If she could she would. Problem is too many like her can't and they try to use poker for something it was never intended for.

I like Jen Harmon & Cindy Violette

Haven't heard a bad word about Leo Margets or Ana Marquez either.

I think doing what she does with poker and what she probably wants to do outside of poker, she can do the former sort of part time but there's no way she can do the latter with anything less than a full commitment. I respect that she's very open about this conflict, that poker is a respite that affords her immediate opportunities that she may not have had, but it also creates a conflict that is difficult, if not impossible to overcome.

Also, the idea that she couldn't do great things outside of poker is folly. She's a double Yalie and Yale law grads can pretty much do whatever the **** they want. She chose to do poker instead of work at Lambda Legal, the ACLU, academia, or some government job. It sucks that three out of those four avenues are probably closed off because she would have been great at them. But she can do a whole lot regardless and it's kind of weird to be talking about someone like her as if she has no agency when she clearly does. I just think the conflict is fascinating and it's something other people have spoken about. Robl had his whole blog devoted to feeling unfulfilled in poker. Colman has strong opinions about what he is a person as a poker player. Confronting it is important, imo.

This.

List is pretty spot on. "Least Despised" is not the same as most liked. And since these guys are basically spotless when it comes to having people badmouth them or get angry or flame or troll or spew venom or whatever else one does to a "despised" player, an otherwise perfectly liked player has one bad incident and that would remove them from the list. That's why Doyle makes no sense. He's obviously well liked, but that one post-black friday tweet that pissed off a lot of people (didn't someone threaten cancer on him?) and that's one more hater than Huck Seed will ever have.

Same thing with Selbst. Even if you want to argue the hate isn't legitimate and is tied to homophobia (and I am not making any comments on whether or not that's true), even illegitimate, bigoted hate counts for such a silly little list.

I would also argue Moneymaker isn't "entirely un-despised" (that can't be a word) due to being such an important figure in poker history despite not being anywhere near the best "skill wise". The rest seem spot on.

I also think Galfond deserves bonus points compared to the rest of that list as he's managed to stay "spotless" despite being in much more in the limelight than the rest of that group, IMO. I'd put him second behind Huck.

Also, the only time I've EVER seen someone get mad at Huck Seed was on that stupid "Doubles poker" thing where players played as teams. Oberstad berated Seed (her partner) for a curious play. And Seed still managed to take it all in stride and just shrugged it off. I don't think it's possible for him to get mad.

What exactly did Doyle say post BF that riled people up?

It's hard to get 10 that I believe are the most despised. I do believe if I had to pick one that would be in everyone's top10, it should be Annie "The Puke" Duke.

Negreanu ITT!

Something like ''thats what u get for playing online, that stuff would not happened live bla bla bla'' and said that the full tilt management(his friend howard) was not to blame, only the DOJ was responsible for black friday.

Could someone explain why so many of you hate Kanu, Ike and Sauce?

The point is the people who go the Helmuth/Selbst route of trying to get "respect" from poker have it wrong. It's a hustlers game you play to get money. The more respectable it gets the less profitable it gets. If you want to be respected go succeed in something respectable. If you're that much of a genius go succeed in something respectable and much larger. Explaining to people why you are so smart and how negative expected value their call was against your range is so lame. The guys killing the stock market for billions never do that, wonder why...

Homophobia? ROFL.

Why can't it be that she's just a vile, nasty person?

Her sexuality has nothing to do with it, or at least doesn't have to.