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Old 08-12-2017, 07:39 PM   #1276
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Re: Tom Dwan - the missing man

Embarrassing how far your going to justify your daddy's shameless actions of running durrrs name through the mud without much info as means to help his "brand". These are a couple of the biggest gamblers in the world, notice how jungle doesn't seem to care much? I'd wager durr is the same way when owed tons by other big gamblers. Using the % return missed out on as an argument seems laughable in this situation, which I'm sure you know.

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Old 08-12-2017, 07:54 PM   #1277
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I actually like Durrr. I think I mentioned this earlier. I am a fan, but not a fanboy. It's great that he's making an effort, but lol at acting like paying a tiny % per year clears the slate.
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Old 08-12-2017, 07:56 PM   #1278
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Re: Tom Dwan - the missing man

Doesn't he also owe h bob a mil?
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Old 08-12-2017, 08:18 PM   #1279
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I actually like Durrr. I think I mentioned this earlier. I am a fan, but not a fanboy. It's great that he's making an effort, but lol at acting like paying a tiny % per year clears the slate.
Probably doesn't, but then again, like before, we don't have all the information still. Whether it does or doesn't is kinda beside the point imo, to these guys this is one situation of probably many, and a really unique and complicated one at that. If durrr has acted somewhat unethical about it, but has been stand up in many many other situations, does this mean hes the scum of the earth like your boss implies to get views?

I've been waiting for other big name serious pros that have interacted with Durrr to throw him under the bus for being shady, but to my knowledge not a single person has, including Jungle mostly. One would think this would be good enough to reserve too harsh of judgement, especially publicly. But gotta get them youtube views at all costs I guess.
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Old 08-12-2017, 08:19 PM   #1280
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Doesn't he also owe h bob a mil?
I really didn't think it was durrr he was talking about when watching the chicaojoey pod bob was on, but there was that tweet recently that seemed to imply it is durrr. Who knows.
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Old 08-12-2017, 08:42 PM   #1281
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For a debt of millions of dollars, you guys seem awfully impressed at a 100k/year payment.
I'm not very familiar with the details of the Durrrr Challenge. When Jungleman told Doug that he'd received 800k in penalties I assumed that was most of what Jungle was owed (not including the 1.5M sidebet). How much does Dwan owe in penalties?
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Old 08-12-2017, 09:24 PM   #1282
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Actually, that's a great point. Having more money is really just a liability. By withholding so much of it for such a long time, Tom's actually doing him a favor! Maybe he should be the one receiving payments.
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Old 08-12-2017, 11:36 PM   #1283
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I think you're missing the point that if Jungle is okay with it, then people are fine with it. If Jungle was still angry about it and railing on Tom, then I think the mood would be much, much different.
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Old 08-13-2017, 12:28 AM   #1284
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what if tom paid jungle out and jungle put it into bitcoin at the time. jungle would have so much money
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Old 08-13-2017, 01:04 AM   #1285
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in after ^
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Old 08-13-2017, 01:14 AM   #1286
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what if Tom paid jungle and jungle took a liking to the song yayo and went on a blackjack run in an underground casino set up by friends to win a ton of money , got scammed, had to make a nvg thread and ended up getting paid some amount of money in the end then disapeared off the face of the earth?
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Old 08-13-2017, 02:06 AM   #1287
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Tom definitely owed Bob at one point, about six months ago. obv no idea if it was resolved
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Old 08-13-2017, 02:29 AM   #1288
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Lol zima
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Old 08-13-2017, 02:33 AM   #1289
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Zima keeps posting on this site despite getting clearly exposed as a massive scammer. The thread on this topic had hundreds of thousands of views. Yet he keeps posting. How is this possible?
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Old 08-13-2017, 07:47 AM   #1290
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Future is now, people are living in virtual reality of nvg threads.
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Old 08-13-2017, 03:37 PM   #1291
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Zima keeps posting on this site despite getting clearly exposed as a massive scammer. The thread on this topic had hundreds of thousands of views. Yet he keeps posting. How is this possible?
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Old 08-13-2017, 07:15 PM   #1292
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Re: Tom Dwan - the missing man

I haven't followed this whole thing that closely but IIRC, didn't this match get halted when the US gov shut down Pokerstars and Full Tilt in 2011? If so, that seems like a pretty catastrophic event in relation to the bet that would justify the match being cancelled or at least allow for a reasonable settlement between both parties.

If its correct that Dwan has paid 700-800k plus lost 500K during the hands played so far (which I assume Jungleman was able to cash out) then I am having a hard time feeling too sorry for Jungle or accusing Dwan of being a scammer/welch.

what am I missing?
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Old 08-13-2017, 07:37 PM   #1293
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I haven't followed this whole thing that closely but IIRC, didn't this match get halted when the US gov shut down Pokerstars and Full Tilt in 2011? If so, that seems like a pretty catastrophic event in relation to the bet that would justify the match being cancelled or at least allow for a reasonable settlement between both parties.


what am I missing?

Pokerstars did not shut down on black Friday, played as normal from Canada on that day, Durrr could easily have played him while he was in Europe or any other Region that still supported stars.
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Old 08-13-2017, 07:48 PM   #1294
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It's a common misconception that Full Tilt created the challenge and put up all the money (lol), when in fact the challenge was issued before Tom had any association with FTP.
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Old 08-14-2017, 08:57 AM   #1295
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durrrrr!!!!!!! cant wait to see the action tonight woohooo
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Old 08-14-2017, 09:08 AM   #1296
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I already explained this, but I'll rephrase it. By not getting his $1.5 million seven years ago, Jungle has lost hundreds of thousands of dollars, probably more than what Tom has paid. Even if you conservatively estimate that he would have gotten a 5% return on that money, the damage is $610k.

This also completely disregards the equity Jungle probably had in the remaining hands.
afaik Tom's obligation is to finish the challenge - not maximize jungleman's earnings. Paying him $800k or whatever isn't intended to make JM right, it's to indicate that Tom has a genuine desire to finish the challenge.

And lol at scale not mattering here. Paying $800k to prolong a challenge where Tom loses $1.5 million. Scale doesn't matter, sure, ok. Why did JM even bring it up then?
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Old 08-14-2017, 01:03 PM   #1297
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what if tom paid jungle out and jungle put it into bitcoin at the time. jungle would have so much money
I don't think Tom handled this optimally, but hopefully he can come to a resolution where both sides can move on.
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Old 08-14-2017, 02:06 PM   #1298
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what if tom paid jungle out and jungle put it into bitcoin at the time. jungle would have so much money
"What if Tom had paid Jungle out and Jungle put it into" ... Venezuelan Bolivars at the time? Jungle would have not so much money
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Old 08-14-2017, 02:31 PM   #1299
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I'll pay for the subscription. this is unbelievable.
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Old 08-14-2017, 09:11 PM   #1300
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dwan sure changed his strategy..
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