LOL the first comment

RIP Tim's Dad

currently in montenegro at casino that Yong owns. Ivey et al there too.

Source?

Probably as reputable as any other source we're likely to get!

I don't get it

Doug was just full on trolling...

Yeah I thought it was pretty obvious when he followed up with his response to the high stakes question. Didn't think it was necessarily funny, but obviously trolling.

ok

This is very plausible. Winfred Yu was already there in June

doesn't matter if casino or underground sweat shop - hard times for ivey, jungle and timmy ...

Wow they are all on the leash of the Yakuza now. Sick life.

why jungle lol

I understand the Dwan comments but whats the info on Jungle and Ivey apart from them playing biggest games in the world at a casino? (i.e hard times for them?)

I really feel for Tom. He is a legend. I really wish we could get a real update from him on how he is doing and what he is up to.

Hearing it from him would be good but it's pretty clear what happened
-went full degen in Macau and blew most of his bankroll
-he now has a couple millions left probably most of which is borrowed
-now following the degen dream trying to run it up somewhere
-from what Doug Polk said before the stress of gambling way outside his roll and owing tons of people money made him go cray cray

it would be interesting to really find out what tom is up to these days from his own mouth

This is the "story". Who knows what it really is though. From speculation, Jungle knows the most about the "missing Tom Dwan" topic. He seems to have given everything he feels comfortable with divulging about it.

It's really interesting to think about... Man talk about highs and lows, I can only imagine the frustration he is going through. I think blowing my roll of $15K is the end of the world (not really, but you know what I mean). Ugh.... Gross ****.. Poker is brutal and so unforgiving. Maybe he had enough of it? I've had similar thoughts am I'm just grinding low stakes. It's all relative???

I have a dream that one day a credible source confirms where Timmy is. . .

Because. . .

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/myc...?pid=180317783

Who is Bianca Rosso?

Lot of issues at play and none of them point to any realistic chance of long term success in poker. .0001% chance this storyline turns around? Yes, all that stuff is stressful and interrupts his ability to think clearly, focus on poker, and separate himself from results.

A huge driving factor that gets overlooked IMO is the effort he put into poker that drove his rise & the state of his brain compared to earlier in his career. Everyone talks about durrr's genius but I'd bet he was one of the hardest working poker players (think in terms of player intensity) for a long time. Our body's weren't meant to handle that kind of pressure over an extended period of time. Tom probably knows only 1 gear that leads to him > all poker players. It's been 10+ years of this, he's nowhere near as interested in the game as when he started and has nowhere near the brain power (Google some fMRI images about the brain & addiction, all that winning & stimulation flooded his system with dopamine at the time and lead to other changes in the body like a testosterone boost... this makes people more aggressive & competitive. Losing decreases testosterone production). Tom depended a lot on his bluffing ability & creativity early in his career... As the brain fully develops in males (25-26 usually) they become more risk averse (because the hypothalamus matures... Not just bc of life experience & learning about risk of ruin). Short term memory naturally declines in the 30's as well (and in Tom's case amplified bc of stress). Anxiety often leads to depression + his dad died. This creates emotional instability (which adds to the storm and isn't very acceptable for one of the best poker players in the world). These are just some of the biological factors that lead to being unable to cognitively perform at a previous off the charts level. Trying to force improved performance via increasing effort will be short lived by now. Tom has to be exhausted. This is to be expected for anyone in this type of situation. I'd bet a lot of high stakes players of the same era can relate. I could until getting out of poker.

The biggest problem now is his definition of success is nowhere close to what it would have been when he started poker (addiction). Whether or not he has a couple mil it feels like peanuts bc he always compares it to the past (with a lot of help from the poker community). He probably knows he will never be the very best on the felt again. To Tom success = being the best poker player in the world (which also = one of the richest through poker). So he chases this via the Chinese businessman. The chances of getting what he wants (or can accept without a drastic change in expectations) out of poker are slim to none. He can only over perform again by dramatically lowering expectations (I'm sure at 1 point he was confident he'd make $100 mil) which will be close to impossible by staying in poker.

Tl;dr he's busto

Tom,

If you ever read this thread, know that there are people behind you bud. I know you're a good person and a brilliant player. I'd say 60% of the hate posts are full on troll, and the rest don't understand or care to understand your situation.

I like to think you know exactly what you are doing and have just been off the grid. But, I hope if you're going through hard times that you have people to help you out. Friends/family all that matters in this life my man. You're the best all around poker pro (you've achieved what only a handful of players have achieved, literally, a handful), and you have nothing to prove. If you ever need a break, shoot me a PM. I'll put you up in a beach house in FL.

Hope you show up on Joeys podcast one day with a great story.

All the best,

Ava

I bet she is a blonde