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08-17-2017 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by IHaveThreePair
99.9% of players muck their hand without saying **** and appreciate that someone has just ran KK into AA for a pretty heft sum of money. They probably don't need to hear someone glorifying their amazing decision to fold and needling that they both could have had AK...
Wat. He wasn't needling, or glorifying. He was the last to act, talking about folding, and he asked that question before he saw that it was KK vs AA.

I'm not a fan of Negreanu in general, but watch the clip again. Nothing to see there.... he was talking about folding, he folded, then asked if they had AK b/c he was mildly concerned he'd made a mistake. Nbd.

Edit: One last thing - just to agree with the person who posted the youtube clip - it's of course absolutely ridiculous to even consider they both had AK. Whatever abt Dwan, but no way Antonio calls an AI with AK with one person left to act. No way. Negreanu was just babbling a bit there.
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08-17-2017 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by IHaveThreePair
Do you honestly think that Dwan is 6-bet shoving (apparently there was a straddle so only a 5bet) over a 5-bet and a call with AK?
Yes, I do actually. As aggressive as Tom is, he might have very well been doing precisely because he had AK or because Antonio might fold TT-QQ in response to a shove. So, yes, 100% absolute believe Dwan makes that play with AK. Now, granted, if he's in that situation 100 times with both AA and AK, there will be more over-the-top shoves with AA versus AK, but he absolutely does the same thing with AK a number of times.
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08-17-2017 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by TexasKK
Yes, I do actually. As aggressive as Tom is, he might have very well been doing precisely because he had AK or because Antonio might fold TT-QQ in response to a shove. So, yes, 100% absolute believe Dwan makes that play with AK. Now, granted, if he's in that situation 100 times with both AA and AK, there will be more over-the-top shoves with AA versus AK, but he absolutely does the same thing with AK a number of times.
nope
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08-17-2017 , 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by IHaveThreePair
His fold is literally never bad here.

Do you honestly think that Dwan is 6-bet shoving (apparently there was a straddle so only a 5bet) over a 5-bet and a call with AK?

And then Antonio is calling with AK?

He must be REALLY bad if he genuinely thinks they both have AK here...
Everyones assuming he wouldn't, given the spot as it was after daniel called AE's raise to 51k there was like what 120k in the pot or something? I'd imagine he considers jamming AKs there sometimes.
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08-17-2017 , 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by niminator
OK, thanks now that is indeed a pile of bull and puts what was so cringeworthy in perspective. Thanks! :-)
He really did call them both out for AK and still folded QQ? lol
Must have been trolling them hard or be an idiot or simply a loud exclamation of sort of probability thoughts like "they both MAY have a mere AK or sth."

Whatever it is, I guess Dwan and others are happy to have Dnegs in that line up :-)
For years it's been obvious Dnegs is the master of the verbal freeroll. He doesn't say someone's hand and still call so he can sleep at night (as he says), he gives himself a verbal freeroll. Which means to save face when he calls he says the likely hand that beats him and hopes it's one of the others he can beat. If it is the one he says--he's still smart even though he called and got beat. It's an ego thing. Folding queens and saying you both have AK is the same kind freeroll. If they do "he knew it" if they don't then he made the good fold. He'll also say a lot after a hand is shown and he's wrong--Yeah, that's the other thing I thought it could be.

To his credit sometimes (far less often but still more than most) he won't freeroll and tells them the hands they have that he can beat and calls and they have it. Regardless, most of the chatter is not too far from a parlour trick or the way a fake psychic "always" knows even when their first guess is way off. And many times, most elite players have the same thought processes they just don't spell it out aloud.
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08-17-2017 , 03:13 PM
Yeh but does anyone wanna see the new breed of end bosses play - like WCG, jungle, Viktor etc then see how Dwan gets on?

I mean come on set over set and aces vs kings... I also can be great in those situations! I'm not saying he's not as good, I just wanna see how he compares to the modern players
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08-17-2017 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by super_dave31
Yeh but does anyone wanna see the new breed of end bosses play - like WCG, jungle, Viktor etc then see how Dwan gets on?

I mean come on set over set and aces vs kings... I also can be great in those situations! I'm not saying he's not as good, I just wanna see how he compares to the modern players
I'm sure he'd do fine, he has so much live experience and it is a slightly different game. He's used to nosebleeds, and the pace is slower so it takes longer to realise the edge.
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08-17-2017 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by super_dave31
Yeh but does anyone wanna see the new breed of end bosses play - like WCG, jungle, Viktor etc then see how Dwan gets on?

I mean come on set over set and aces vs kings... I also can be great in those situations! I'm not saying he's not as good, I just wanna see how he compares to the modern players
i don't think he really cares at all. Money is more important, as it should be.
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08-17-2017 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by King~of~Diamonds
Tom definitely owed Bob at one point, about six months ago. obv no idea if it was resolved
During the broadcast, Bob tweeted something like: "Hard to listen to the announcer wax poetically about a guy who owes you 2M."

It's definitely not resolved.
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08-17-2017 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by chuckamuck
100% correct.

Another thing I thought was interesting was that Tom immediately offered to run it 2x. Reduces variance, sure, but Antonio was very happy to hear it! The way it went down, it looked like Tom was a bit sympathetic about Antonio's situation.
Ehh, pretty sure Tom is always happy to run it whatever amount of times. Doesn't change anything to him. Like that pot he played with Barry on HSP. 900k pot all in on the flop when they were flipping. He said he didn't care, Barry said run it once like always but wanted them to each take 200k back and run the board for 500k. Tom was like um wtf no.
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08-17-2017 , 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by IHaveThreePair
99.9% of players muck their hand without saying **** and appreciate that someone has just ran KK into AA for a pretty heft sum of money. They probably don't need to hear someone glorifying their amazing decision to fold and needling that they both could have had AK...
Yep. I wish someone told that clown to stfu, unbelievable self absorbed child.
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08-17-2017 , 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by chuckamuck
Another thing I thought was interesting was that Tom immediately offered to run it 2x. Reduces variance, sure, but Antonio was very happy to hear it! The way it went down, it looked like Tom was a bit sympathetic about Antonio's situation.
I noticed that. I don't think he gave a **** about Antonio's situation; I think he just wanted to make sure he wasn't stacked as he couldn't face potentially losing all his chips.
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08-17-2017 , 09:33 PM
can't decide if this is a really nice hoodie or a super out of place wtf degen hoodie but I haven't had to hide from people looking for money before so maybe it helps to blend into the vegas trees

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08-17-2017 , 09:50 PM
The criticism of Daniel is vindictive and over the top. It wasn't an analysis or statement, it was a question. A reasonable amount of apprehension of making a bad fold exists to justify the question. Get over your hate.
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08-17-2017 , 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by AllBlackDan
Downloaded the PokerGo app just for this and cant even find an option in app to subscribe, can find sign in page and thats it, annoying
A lot of apps on iPhone don't let you subscribe within the app so they don't have to pay the 30% cut to Apple, so you have to subscribe via their website and then sign in to the app.
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08-17-2017 , 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by GreatBigRedOne
The criticism of Daniel is vindictive and over the top. It wasn't an analysis or statement, it was a question. A reasonable amount of apprehension of making a bad fold exists to justify the question. Get over your hate.
Hi Daniel!
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08-17-2017 , 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by A_Schupick
Hi Daniel!
Hi
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08-17-2017 , 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 18000rpm
A lot of apps on iPhone don't let you subscribe within the app so they don't have to pay the 30% cut to Apple, so you have to subscribe via their website and then sign in to the app.
Interesting, didnt know that, thanks for the insight!

Would be good if they at least had a pop up advising customers to go to their site

Will be watching this soon as
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08-18-2017 , 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by IMDABES
Everyones assuming he wouldn't, given the spot as it was after daniel called AE's raise to 51k there was like what 120k in the pot or something? I'd imagine he considers jamming AKs there sometimes.
Even if Dwan sometimes shoves AK, Daniel is always crushed by Antonios call so folding QQ is so trivial there...
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08-18-2017 , 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by IHaveThreePair
Even if Dwan sometimes shoves AK, Daniel is always crushed by Antonios call so folding QQ is so trivial there...
Yeah, forgot to mention that part of it, I'm def not defending DN saying his annoying ****. After AE makes huge call off QQ is crushed, Just was referring to the people here implying it's impossible for durrr to have AKs here.
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08-18-2017 , 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by IMDABES
Yeah, forgot to mention that part of it, I'm def not defending DN saying his annoying ****. After AE makes huge call off QQ is crushed, Just was referring to the people here implying it's impossible for durrr to have AKs here.
Oh right, got ya. all luv!
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08-18-2017 , 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by mrno1324
tbf it would be considerably less egregious in your local 1/2 game imo.
The tension is in the air over losing a massive amount of money which really shouldn't be there at a table of pros. I guess Daniel doesn't feel as strongly as Antonio since he is better rolled or has less of himself.
Would like to see people professional enough to stay in good spirits and smile after losing big pots (Doug eg.) and not feel awkward when JRB punts away a third of his roll, but that's probably too much to ask.
Do you think Daniel has all of himself in these games? I wouldn't be surprised if he does he should certainly have the roll, guys like Antonio i doubt it
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08-19-2017 , 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by fakekidpoker
Do you think Daniel has all of himself in these games? I wouldn't be surprised if he does he should certainly have the roll, guys like Antonio i doubt it
Antonio won the One Drop and prolly has 2x as Daniel.
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08-19-2017 , 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Bageled
Antonio won the One Drop and prolly has 2x as Daniel.
i'd be surprised if Antonio had more than 25% of that score
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08-19-2017 , 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Bageled
Antonio won the One Drop and prolly has 2x as Daniel.
I highly doubt that...

Antonio has been heavily backed for years now...
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