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01-09-2014 , 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by AnotherMakiaveli
i'm sure most players know that timing out can actually be a stragegic component, let's say in a sattelitte where they all do it, or maybe when you are a huge dog and want to control when the next blind increase hits and whom it will hit. maybe you want to send someone on a TILT with it. maybe OP was busy with something else, preparing food, eating or whatever. as long as the rules do not explicitly state anything against that behaviour, i guess OP is right. they should have had a look at the rake he paid.
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Originally Posted by AnotherMakiaveli
they should change the rules then. op is acting within the rules set by the terms and conditions imo.
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Originally Posted by AnotherMakiaveli
funny discussion. maybe stars should think about some changes to either the software or the terms of use or both. i just think the way they deal with it is a bit out of line.
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Originally Posted by AnotherMakiaveli
maybe i should read the terms and conditions. i was under the assumption that this issue isnt mentioned in them. would be better if they just changed the software imo. if it happended 3 times it still seems ridiculous to threaten OP with the ban hammer.
You're outing yourself as a real winner ITT.
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01-09-2014 , 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by albedoa
You're outing yourself as a real winner ITT.
have to admit i didn't read the t&c. i was under the assumption that anything i could do with the software would be ok. will never stall in a satty ever again, even if anybody else is doing it, ok?
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01-09-2014 , 02:53 PM
it's all about you huh OP.

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Originally Posted by markksman
Op,

You are wrong, Stars is right.

- Signed by everyone with any sensible gauge of how their behaviors impact others in a negative way.
QFT
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01-09-2014 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by dfb89
Man a lot of dumb people itt.
Yeah , all the ones who don't see things the way I do.
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01-09-2014 , 03:47 PM
who wants to play against people like op using full time bank non stop? Kind of on the fence as op bringing in so much for the site thru rake but ruining the games at the same time by not being able to keep up .
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01-09-2014 , 04:01 PM
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01-09-2014 , 04:03 PM
Nothing worse that a douche who plays 2547895 tables and cannot handle it timing out on every table.
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01-09-2014 , 04:08 PM
Yeah, agree with stars here. Like they said, they want to make sure everyone playing at stars has a good experience, you playing a ton of tables and taking forever is prohibiting that. Not that hard to comprehend imo.
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01-09-2014 , 04:09 PM
SNE players have the highest VIP status and generate the most rake for Stars but they are no way their most valuable customers. They use Stars to generate income for themselves whilst maximizing the rewards programs .They withdraw far more cash from the site than they deposit . They need Stars far more than Stars needs them.

So it seems particularly short sighted to complain if Stars suggest that they either play faster or play less tables in order to improve the enjoyment of the players that play poker for entertainment and are the ones who regularly deposit money on the site.
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01-09-2014 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
You are wrong, Stars is right.

- Signed by everyone with any sensible gauge of how their behaviors impact others in a negative way.
+5
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01-09-2014 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by FinkPloyd
Er, yeah they do, because a significant portion of the rake is obv contributed by the regs.
Considering they often max out or close to all the VIP benefits associated with rake, they bring in less rake per hand that the average reg.

The most valued customers are the ones who keep depositing! Those are also the ones the rest of us want to keep happy.
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01-09-2014 , 04:40 PM
Keep up the great work, Pokerstars! People like OP ruin the games. And this is coming from an SNE player.

I don't play many MTTs anymore but it was even worse there. I always thought they should change the system. For example:

- Time to act should be reduced and timebank slightly increased.

- Every time you timebank you get 1 second less to act pre-timebank.

- So if it was normally 15 seconds until timebank, you'd lose 1 second of that every time you timebanked, down to a minimum of 5 seconds.

That was just a random solution, and wouldn't really help too much in cash games but I'm sure they can come up with something.
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01-09-2014 , 04:44 PM
There are three important aspects to consider here:

On one side, I can only applaude at PS's initiative of taking care of the socially inept narcissic persons who don't find anything wrong in saying stuff such as:

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- maybe you want to send someone on a TILT with it.
- i only ever time bank to ***/make food/***
- If anyone has a problem with someone using their allotted time, they are free to [...] move to another site [...].
- Also lol at using the argument "it's rude." Poker is about taking other people's money. I don't care what anyone thinks about me [...]all I care about is getting their money in my pocket.
Also, I disagree about the importance that some regs give themselfs due to the rake they generate: drying the fish pond with their nitty playstyle, slowing down the games to a point that recreational players get disgusted; using questionnable software to bumhunt hand get jezus-seated, generally not chatting, and I am not even going to talk about the professional shortstacking-ratholers... I am no maths wiz but I am quite confident that they cost alot more to the poker sites than what they generate in rake.

Nevertheless, there is a word that was mentionned a few times itt that is probably the most important aspect of this whole issue: "Arbitrairy"

For the longest time, I have said that it is unacceptable that online poker business choose to be regulated by authories located in small independant countries/reserves. They do whatever they see fit, which opens the door to cheating, injustices and abuse. Think about UB/AP, FullTilt, Lock Poker, etc.

Therefore, we can not accept such an arbitrairy call. Who is to decide how much "stalling" is too much? Who is to decide if a hand is playable or not? What will come next if we accept this? "Hello! We have noticed that you minbet your button and this is contrary to the spirit of the game, therefore, we ask you to 3X or else..."

Especially in the absence of legitimate governing bodies regulating online poker (lol@malta, KGC, Antigua and Barbuda, etc.); we need, as a community, to oppose to any measures that lets the online poker room the ability to take arbitrairy decision and abuse of their powers.

Sorry for the tl;dr and my poor English
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01-09-2014 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by AnotherMakiaveli
they should change the rules then. op is acting within the rules set by the terms and conditions imo.
Common courtesy isn't usually something spelled out in T&Cs.

It's within the rules, but it's obviously douchey to timebank all the time.
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01-09-2014 , 05:04 PM
Your timebank is the allotted amount of time to make a decision, not the the allotted amount of time for you to come back to the table.
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01-09-2014 , 05:13 PM
This is the fault of Pokerstars imo. They have control of the amount of tables that players can play. They have set up the system, so they can't really realistically send an email like this when it doesn't work 100% to their liking. OP is doing nothing wrong by playing max tables and using the time allotted to him. It would frustrate me, but the responsibility to PS not OP. They could easily adjust # of tables allowed or time bank available.
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01-09-2014 , 05:17 PM
i guess most of the trolls/stars fanboys in this thread are loosing players hoping to increase their ev if stars bans regs.

no...this will not turn you into winning players.
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01-09-2014 , 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Skleice
This is the fault of Pokerstars imo. They have control of the amount of tables that players can play. They have set up the system, so they can't really realistically send an email like this when it doesn't work 100% to their liking. OP is doing nothing wrong by playing max tables and using the time allotted to him. It would frustrate me, but the responsibility to PS not OP. They could easily adjust # of tables allowed or time bank available.
They can both be wrong at the same time. If it's against Stars policy for players to consistently use up their pre-bank and slow games down, then doing so is breaking the rules whether those rules are automatically enforced by the UI or not.

At the same time, there really isn't anything about that rule that requires human discretion in order for it to be enforced. It's nothing that couldn't easily be built into the UI, using whatever criteria a human would use, and it would then be enforced all of the time, which would be better and more fair for everyone.
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01-09-2014 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Czar Chasm
Love the spirit of what they're doing, don't really like how they're doing it. That email was way too vague. I agree they should just alter their time bank system to progressively shorten the clock for anyone using the max too often and raise it up for those acting quickly...
This.

There's a lot of regs who zzzzz to make trivial folds all the time and slow the game down to paint-dry speed for 1-2 tablers (especially when there's 2+ of these regs at a table). Some automated system of timebank shortening (whether it's % of decisions, or #timebank countdowns/hour, etc.) would be a better way to regulate it and keep the recs (and faster regs) happy.
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01-09-2014 , 05:29 PM
play faster bitch
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01-09-2014 , 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by AnotherMakiaveli
have to admit i didn't read the t&c. i was under the assumption that anything i could do with the software would be ok. will never stall in a satty ever again, even if anybody else is doing it, ok?
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Originally Posted by AnotherMakiaveli
i guess most of the trolls/stars fanboys in this thread are loosing players hoping to increase their ev if stars bans regs.

no...this will not turn you into winning players.
Keep these gems coming. How old are you?
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01-09-2014 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Gramps
This.

There's a lot of regs who zzzzz to make trivial folds all the time and slow the game down to paint-dry speed for 1-2 tablers (especially when there's 2+ of these regs at a table). Some automated system of timebank shortening (whether it's % of decisions, or #timebank countdowns/hour, etc.) would be a better way to regulate it and keep the recs (and faster regs) happy.
Who cares if they don't like it?????? When they sit in the game, they are accepting a set of rules involving a certain allotted time per action. If they don't enjoy slow play, they can sit in a turbo or super turbo game, or lobby for different time bank settings. Once they put their ante in, they accept a set of rules and accept that the better players will do everything within that set of rules to take their money. That includes taking up to the maximum allowable time if it is +EV to do so.
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01-09-2014 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Skleice
This is the fault of Pokerstars imo. They have control of the amount of tables that players can play. They have set up the system, so they can't really realistically send an email like this when it doesn't work 100% to their liking.
This makes no sense. Clearly they are giving warning that they may USE their ability to control how many tables the OP can play, so if anything the email seems courteous.
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01-09-2014 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by albedoa
Keep these gems coming. How old are you?
wtf do you want from me? most likely i am older than you.

don't troll me, troll the next man
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01-09-2014 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by lkasigh
Who cares if they don't like it?????? When they sit in the game, they are accepting a set of rules involving a certain allotted time per action. If they don't enjoy slow play, they can sit in a turbo or super turbo game, or lobby for different time bank settings. Once they put their ante in, they accept a set of rules and accept that the better players will do everything within that set of rules to take their money. That includes taking up to the maximum allowable time if it is +EV to do so.
Pretty much anyone that isn't an idiot cares. Also, just because software doesn't block you from doing a particular thing doesn't make it not against the rules. There are lots of things that you can't say in chat, despite the fact that chat exists, etc.
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