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Old 02-18-2012, 01:25 AM   #31
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Re: Tim West AKA Tmay420 new Lock Poker Pro: Past shady dealings

Yeah its like I cant tell if Lock is just not doing their homework or if they're purposefully going out of their way to hire degens in order to troll NVG. I agree Chino or Jonathan Drane should be next.
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Old 02-18-2012, 01:52 AM   #32
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Re: Tim West AKA Tmay420 new Lock Poker Pro: Past shady dealings

Wasn't he a UB pro as well?
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Old 02-18-2012, 02:01 AM   #33
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Waiting to hear his excuses in this new thread
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Old 02-18-2012, 02:23 AM   #34
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100% agree with the above.

Vanessa is one of the smartest people in poker.

When she speaks, you listen.


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Old 02-18-2012, 02:27 AM   #35
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Re: Tim West AKA Tmay420 new Lock Poker Pro: Past shady dealings

Anyone who takes the time to read that thread will find that the episode in question was in fact a complicated one, with players taking sides both for and against TMay.

Whilst TMay undoubtedly handled the situation badly initially, the issue seemed to throw just as much light on twoplustwo staking threads as it did on his behavior. check out The Bear Jew's posts in particular, not least because he delivers one of the sickest burns i think i've read on here

whichever side you take though, it would be disingenuous to say TMay simply 'rolled his backers' (of which there's many other instances of on these boards).
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Old 02-18-2012, 02:40 AM   #36
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Re: Tim West AKA Tmay420 new Lock Poker Pro: Past shady dealings

Good post OP plz do NOT go fock yourself.

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Old 02-18-2012, 02:52 AM   #37
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Old 02-18-2012, 02:56 AM   #38
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Old 02-18-2012, 03:38 AM   #39
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Old 02-18-2012, 03:41 AM   #40
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Re: Tim West AKA Tmay420 new Lock Poker Pro: Past shady dealings

Lock has had some shady things in the past with player bonuses and rakeback. I don't know if I would trust playing on the site.

http://www.pokeraddict.net/lock-poke...ack-promotion/
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Old 02-18-2012, 04:11 AM   #41
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Havent read whole thread but from the quotes posted it seems he's more absentminded than shady. I think anyone should think twice before BAPing him but idk about the rest.
Nm read the thread. Doesnt matter how nice and respectable people are when times are good. Only matters how they act when **** hits and fan. Wow what a self destruction.
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Old 02-18-2012, 04:27 AM   #42
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Re: Tim West AKA Tmay420 new Lock Poker Pro: Past shady dealings

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Anyone who takes the time to read that thread will find that the episode in question was in fact a complicated one, with players taking sides both for and against TMay.

Whilst TMay undoubtedly handled the situation badly initially, the issue seemed to throw just as much light on twoplustwo staking threads as it did on his behavior. check out The Bear Jew's posts in particular, not least because he delivers one of the sickest burns i think i've read on here

whichever side you take though, it would be disingenuous to say TMay simply 'rolled his backers' (of which there's many other instances of on these boards).
The majority of posters thought what Tim did was wrong and shady, those posters also happened to be long time respected members including Vanessa Selbst, apefish, Zima, Charder, Sub, Imawhale and one a Pokerstars Pro (bolding mine):

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I feel really bad for TMay, but I think posting my thoughts here is still better than texting him in terms of f/ing with his head deep in a tournament, so:

IMO he has to give up the over-sold % for all the reasons elucidated by Apefish, Zima, Charder, Sub, Imawhale and others.

I am good friends with Tim, and I really want what's best for him (so if he's reading this, it should say something that I decided to post).

So I should add to Tim:

It's also by far the right thing for your career/rep and your marketplace rep.

It sucks that you are paying a high price for neglecting this thread, but that's what is happening--you are paying a penalty for not properly navigating marketplace.

It's not correct in any way to take advantage of this forum for the purpose of a major staking investment but then not own up to the technical mistakes you made in handling the sale.

If I were you, I would beg for leniency (perhaps the extraneous investors will give you a break of some kind), but be prepared to do the clearly right thing and play for 13% less.


Whether or not others have scammed people in the marketplace has no bearing on what Tim himself did. He screwed RedGrape out of money, plain and simple. He also acted like a complete douchebag in the process.

He and Lock Poker deserve each other.
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Old 02-18-2012, 09:20 AM   #43
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Re: Tim West AKA Tmay420 new Lock Poker Pro: Past shady dealings

I've had rather long conversations with Matt Stout who is a lock pro and he seems pretty positive that the owner has plenty of money.

We had the neteller/partypoker crap in 2006

then FTP on blackfriday

I was very leery of playing online until we had regulations.

However, as most did, I miss playing online. I've already got in to the profit and play sparingly and keep a small amount of money on the site. It's a calculated risk for entertainment purposes...

I'll point Matt to this thread and see if he replies.
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Old 02-18-2012, 09:28 AM   #44
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Re: Tim West AKA Tmay420 new Lock Poker Pro: Past shady dealings

oh well at least we've not had to endure all the mtt muggins wading in to brand him a great guy again. Vanessa didn't you make some awful post suggesting intentions were key in the original thread?
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Old 02-18-2012, 10:53 AM   #45
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Re: Tim West AKA Tmay420 new Lock Poker Pro: Past shady dealings

I posted a thread recently about staking, which got deleted quickly. Why? I have no clue. I didn't include "buying a piece" of someone in a tournament, but I think it's along the same lines.

My question is why stake/buy a piece of someone? I keep reading about people not paying their debts, and now stuff like this. I didn't read everything in the main thread, but is it possible TMay decided to keep it all himself or keep a bigger percentage since he was doing good?

I mean with these types of scenarios coming up, A LOT, I again ask why invest your money in someone if you don't have a clear and LEGAL contract? It seems the risk/return ratio is -EV. Do some of you pros have so much money that you are willing to risk it? If so, why not go invest in the market with a professional for long term growth?
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