Thread derailing about european v american views on gun control, etc from EPT Berlin robbery - Poker News

Gim_Mick · 03-06-2010, 07:01 PM

Sure is a good thing that guns are illegal in Europe.

Nothing like this can happen with proper gun laws... Oh wait

Nevermind

malmi · 03-06-2010, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Gim_Mick

Sure is a good thing that guns are illegal in Europe.

Nothing like this can happen with proper gun laws... Oh wait

Nevermind

240k lost is always better than dead players and casino employees.

MrLix · 03-06-2010, 07:49 PM

"Sure is a good thing that guns are illegal in Europe.

Nothing like this can happen with proper gun laws... Oh wait
I'm an idiot and am hurting my argument.

Nevermind"

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Originally Posted by cpitt398

fyp

Picking up on even the most obvious irony isn't your strong suit is it?

fury · 03-06-2010, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Gim_Mick

Sure is a good thing that guns are illegal in Europe.

Nothing like this can happen with proper gun laws... Oh wait

Nevermind

American detected for implying Europe = Germany. Guns are perfectly legal in many EU countries.

The Furor · 03-06-2010, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by NewTeaBag

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Yes, perhaps my perspective is different because I spent a long time in the military doing dirty jobs in nasty places. But I can still remember growing up in NYC as a little kid and seeing people do the right thing. By the age of 7 I had seen at least 5 instances of regular people jumping in to stop muggings, robberies, fights initiated by bullies, etc.

And with all those first hand displays of humanity, you still ended up in the army........

The Furor · 03-07-2010, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Psycho Boy Jack

most people prefer being robbed than killing someone.
and I'm not sure they are wrong...
does a robber deserve death ?

Yeah, having security workers not always equipped with lethal weapons is a brag in my book.

BTW the US has like 1% of the population in jail while in Europe it's more like 1/1000.

lol Landofthefreeaments.

FlippoManiacs · 03-07-2010, 03:37 AM

This Thread and the discussion about guns made me think that americans are idiots, but then i realized its NVG, and it has nothing to do with the nationality of the posters...

breadandbutter · 03-07-2010, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by MadPkrBunny

I say give that hero security guard a gun. True, all the others would probably kill themselves in a moment of panic, but that one would take all the robbers down.

What is even a point to have a security not equipped with guns? To prevent a vandalism from older ladies?

This is exactly what they do wrong in some countries like the U.S. .. Once you start the shooting, it is never going to end. The security guy shoots one robber, the other robbers start shooting at the security, risking the lifes of innocent people in the building..

In the U.S. the murder rate (so non-security/police related killings) is like 10 times higher as in a country as Germany.. People shoot way faster.. You would think criminals are more scared to commit a crime in the U.S.A.?? Wrong too, the crime rate is higher in the U.S. as in Germany and basically every other country with the same kind of crime policy.. It's NOT a good way of handling crime..

InDaDesert · 03-07-2010, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by breadandbutter

This is exactly what they do wrong in some countries like the U.S.

No, if they know the guards are armed-it's a bigger deterrent to think they can get away with it in the first place. Not to mention that their attitude gets real ****ty when the security guard starts putting holes in them.

jt082005 · 03-07-2010, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by breadandbutter

This is exactly what they do wrong in some countries like the U.S. .. Once you start the shooting, it is never going to end. The security guy shoots one robber, the other robbers start shooting at the security, risking the lifes of innocent people in the building..

In the U.S. the murder rate (so non-security/police related killings) is like 10 times higher as in a country as Germany.. People shoot way faster.. You would think criminals are more scared to commit a crime in the U.S.A.?? Wrong too, the crime rate is higher in the U.S. as in Germany and basically every other country with the same kind of crime policy.. It's NOT a good way of handling crime..

LOL

Ramon Scott · 03-07-2010, 04:39 AM

Sure, we all love the brave security force guy, but on the armed robbery forum site, the hero is the accomplice that returns with the pole to help free his partner, when a lot of armed robbers would've just said, forget that guy.

Immortal-1337 · 03-07-2010, 04:47 AM

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Sure, we all love the brave security force guy, but on the armed robbery forum site, the hero is the accomplice that returns with the pole to help free his partner, when a lot of armed robbers would've just said, forget that guy.

I thought exactly the same thing, but on the other hand he could inform the police then about the other robbers.
But well it was brave too to help your buddy in a situation like this. He should get a award and some money for that IMO.

poporella · 03-07-2010, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Suffmeier

Not more than 10 years if nobody was hurt. In this case maybe 5.
German law is a joke.

its not, its giving everyone a second chance, thats pretty ethical.

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Originally Posted by breadandbutter

This is exactly what they do wrong in some countries like the U.S. .. Once you start the shooting, it is never going to end. The security guy shoots one robber, the other robbers start shooting at the security, risking the lifes of innocent people in the building..

In the U.S. the murder rate (so non-security/police related killings) is like 10 times higher as in a country as Germany.. People shoot way faster.. You would think criminals are more scared to commit a crime in the U.S.A.?? Wrong too, the crime rate is higher in the U.S. as in Germany and basically every other country with the same kind of crime policy.. It's NOT a good way of handling crime..

THe tactics US goes for just provokes more violence wether its related to internal affairs or interstate affairs...Alquaidas resistance/ terroracts is not coming out of air..

trojanmana · 03-07-2010, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BartJ385

It is -EV. Most of the time the robbers will get caught anyway eventually. Remember, this is Europe.

So you want to stop a murderer, because he might kill again, but you needn't risk your life for stopping a robber.

you stop a murderer because the life/person can not be replaced like money can.

**jukofyork** · 03-07-2010, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by poporella

its not, its giving everyone a second chance, thats pretty ethical.

Yeah exactly. I can't see the point in giving people stupidly long sentences: it doesn't act as any better deterrent and just means people who could well change as they get older don't get any chance to. I think in this regard we have a far more sensible system here. These guys would be getting a sentence > 8 years here in the UK anyway; possibly significantly more because of the masks, weapons and amount of cash involved - is this not enough? What's the point in giving them 1948208908768357 years like they do in the USA?

Juk