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Thoughts on Jim Carroll angle shooting??? Thoughts on Jim Carroll angle shooting???

07-05-2016 , 11:52 PM
this is hack ****. its stuff only bad players do . really it just goes to show how soft poker was , being that any of these guys have money from poker . i dont think these guys could beat 10c/25c on acr or stars. there fish honestly.
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07-06-2016 , 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by foxlikeruse
Most people won't know who Jim Carroll is but he has over a million in tournament cashes and is a regular in the Dallas/Oklahoma events. I played with him a couple of years ago and he was regularly announcing that he was playing blind and then turning over premium hands. I noticed that he was peeling his first card and then would cap it and say "playing this one blind." Basically if the first card was an ace or king. Not really a big deal. I just finished watching the Durant Poker Night in America cash game where he does the same exact thing. The people at the table either didn't notice him looking at his first card or just didn't say anything...they certainly didn't play like they noticed. He clearly on camera looks at his first card pretty much every time he says he is playing blind. I googled it and found this:

sitehttp://www.jimcarrollbio.com/jimcarrollpoker.php

He seems to have lots of godly lessons that parallel poker. Don't know where angle shooting at the table fits into all that. Thoughts on whether this is an angle or cheating or just a part of the game? Also if you ever play with him...now you know.

I'm in the camp that this is slimy as it gets. He might justify it as part of the deceptiveness of the game, but I believe it goes not only against the spirit of the game, but is also just extraordinarily terrible behavior. He'd be a target if I was at the table with him...we have enough angle shooters in poker, let's don't encourage it..
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07-06-2016 , 01:23 AM
Wilbury comes through as always-I had never seen that, thank you.
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07-06-2016 , 10:49 AM
This blog post of his puts it all into perspective. Apparently he has discovered ways to lie and deceive that God is okay with. We can all learn from him about deceiving at the poker table whilst being cool with the Lord.

http://www.jimcarrollbio.com/pokerar...manipulate.php
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07-06-2016 , 11:18 AM
Lying, manipulating and bluffing are all part of the game. If you don't use every advantage of them, then don't expect to get far. Everyone knows poker players lie. Only a donkey would believe that others are telling big the truth.

Players that believe he is not looking are morons.
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07-06-2016 , 12:30 PM
Wow, that guy's website is poor.
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07-06-2016 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Cooozy
Bad analogy imo. There's a difference between deception that's an intended dynamic of the game, and deception that's unintended and disadvantages others.

If I bet big with air, or verbally tell my opponent he should fold when I know he shouldn't, that's how the game was intended to function as thus is ok.

A good example of unfair deception is if I say call but purposefully put in a raise (knowing it will count as a raise but make me look weaker than if I raised normally). Clearly the game is designed so that you're supposed to know if your opponent meant to raise or call, and by doing this you give yourself an advantage, so this type of deception is cheating.

It's clear the game is intended to function with players only knowing their own hole cards. By simply not looking at your own hole cards, you're going against the way the game was intended to be played, but that's okay because it puts you at a massive disadvantage so nobody is going to complain (it can't be cheating if you're doing something that you know can only disadvantage you). But by saying you haven't looked at your cards when you have, you're now advantaging yourself as well as playing the way the game isn't designed to function, so that's cheating.
THIS
You are good at words.
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07-06-2016 , 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by gymcar
Lying, manipulating and bluffing are all part of the game. If you don't use every advantage of them, then don't expect to get far. Everyone knows poker players lie. Only a donkey would believe that others are telling big the truth.

Players that believe he is not looking are morons.
Players that believe I am not looking are morons.


FYP
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07-06-2016 , 01:14 PM
3 years of play. Only been caught twice. Damn TV show has now ruined my fun game. Killed a lot of pros with the blind donkey play. There is a lot of strategy after the flop. I guess the fun has come to an end.

I have asked tons of players if it was an angle. None of them think it is. Besides I am playing one card blind.
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07-06-2016 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by gymcar
3 years of play. Only been caught twice. Damn TV show has now ruined my fun game. Killed a lot of pros with the blind donkey play. There is a lot of strategy after the flop. I guess the fun has come to an end.

I have asked tons of players if it was an angle. None of them think it is. Besides I am playing one card blind.
For what it's worth, Jim, I do not consider what you did an angleshoot. I would not frown upon it if I saw it. As someone who enjoys the verbally tricky side of poker, I encourage all that kind of stuff. I just found it amusing in context with your blog post getting God involved in the discussion of poker deception. (Also find it funny that people apparently fall for it...)
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07-06-2016 , 03:39 PM
Jim, that is an outstanding guide. Thank you for sharing. Do you have any more psychological strategies we can read about?
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07-06-2016 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by gymcar
3 years of play. Only been caught twice. Damn TV show has now ruined my fun game. Killed a lot of pros with the blind donkey play. There is a lot of strategy after the flop. I guess the fun has come to an end.

I have asked tons of players if it was an angle. None of them think it is. Besides I am playing one card blind.
it doesnt seem that bad to me. its up to players to observe the game
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07-06-2016 , 05:50 PM
Some really good posts ITT thank you

... anyways, this commentator guy says he saw this guy "get dealt cards and instantly cap his cards with two of his chips no matter where they fell..."

...cause he says he saw 21:40:



Edit: The dancing and singing stuff seems awkward and potentially uncomfortable/extremely annoying to players within the vicinity, I vote no

Last edited by CarlGustavJung; 07-06-2016 at 05:57 PM. Reason: words n stuff
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07-06-2016 , 05:52 PM
My major takeaway is just how bad Phillips is at cash.
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07-06-2016 , 05:59 PM
This commentator is a sucker and I'm very surprised that Bart didn't call him out for such a obvious hustle.
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07-06-2016 , 06:02 PM
Ps Jim if that's you,this is a pretty obvious angle and if you don't think that outright lying is unethical or in-godlike,than you probably need some self evaluation.
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07-06-2016 , 06:10 PM
Well, I actually do play a lot of hands completely blind. I have to keep everyone guessing.

The commentators were probably correct.

There actually is a skill to reading other players if you are blind. Because people don't see it very often, they have lots of easy reads. Generally they will always bet the flop if ahead. If they miss the flop they will usually check. I guess really playing blind nd could be an angle too😀😀😀😀
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07-06-2016 , 06:16 PM
def a angle imo

a ****ty one
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07-06-2016 , 07:29 PM
I'd say not an angle and anyone who falls for this "trick" is a moran.
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07-06-2016 , 07:36 PM
Does Helmuth get paid to travel around and appear on this show?
I really wish you had got him with the " no look." I he fell for it after the tony g incident that would have been epic.
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07-06-2016 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by gymcar
Lying, manipulating and bluffing are all part of the game. If you don't use every advantage of them, then don't expect to get far. Everyone knows poker players lie. Only a donkey would believe that others are telling big the truth.

Players that believe he is not looking are morons.
You realize that those same words can also be used to defend marking cards and all other forms of cheating?

And you are a mediocre NL player who has no clue on what it takes to get far in poker. I know a few players who have grinded bankrolls up from low limits to playing in the biggest games at the commerce, Iveys Room, and Bobbys room. They are all as honest as the day is long and wouldn't ever pull the crap you do, cause they are winning players. They are too smart to angle a multimillionaire reg because they want to keep playing with them.

At the truly high stakes, the only players who can pull your childish antics and still be tolerated are big fish, like you.
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07-06-2016 , 10:29 PM
Why don't you go ahead and post your name? It would be nice to meet up with you and show you how a medicore player and take all your money. I have no fear playing people that think they're something just blow smoke
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07-06-2016 , 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by gymcar
Why don't you go ahead and post your name? It would be nice to meet up with you and show you how a medicore player and take all your money. I have no fear playing people that think they're something just blow smoke
Classy
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07-07-2016 , 02:21 AM
i think its crappy and lol weak but if youre not paying attention to your opponents including when theyre looking at their holecards then its your own fault. just like boxing....... protect yourself at ALL times
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07-07-2016 , 02:33 AM
Jim has tinkered with other businesses throughout his life time. Some of the notables are Cool Cola. Jim created a vitamin infused soft drink that had fewer calories than Pepsi and Coke, while beating both products in a taste test. Unfortunately, the product was bought off the cola shelves by the competitors and landed in the health food section.

Miracle Smile
Miracle Smile Teeth Whitener
Jim also created the first over the counter teeth whitener. Miracle Smile took the ingredients that dentists used to whiten teeth, and became the leader in home teeth whitening kits. However, the FDA ruled that it was an over the counter drug and forced the destruction of over a million dollars worth of product or criminal prosecution. Two weeks after all the product was destroyed, the FDA sent a letter and said Jim could continue selling the product, but that the FDA could change their mind at any time. Jim felt like he was strong armed by the government and dentists lobbyists. He sued the government for damages and lost.

TLR: Jim has great ideas but keeps getting ruined by the man.
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