No way. TD had already ruled post dumping discussion. Opportunity to complain has passed.

Yes. Doyle got bought out of an early WSOP ME because he didn't want the publicity. Slightly different situation though.

haha, the twitter makes the whole story even more hilarious

a stickler for rules my ass. scummy, fake-tanking, robot-angleshooter wanna be more like.

I don't care about the dude wanting to chip dump, but a so called pro should know better than this.

Awesome river

Yet he had his bags packed?

If my dad died I'm playin that **** out and trying to bink it. He's the one that taught me to play and took me to my first live game. Would be sick to have him on the rail in space or some ****.

I don't see an explanation, just a lot of banter in response to his Tweet and a link back to this thread.

Allen Kessler ‏@AllenKessler 11 Jul
@allenbari @TheLunchbox26 chip dumping is a serious accusation. What was the conversation prior to the incident.

I don't see the issue being as much the way the hand went down in a vacuum (although the appropriateness of that can certainly be debated), but more so the fact the hand went down the way it did after Doc had offered him 1% of his winnings. That is what screams inappropriate to me.

I guess Doc has better things to do than elaborate on a hand (or at least on a recounting of a hand) that calls into question his ethics.

He needs time to construct a reasonable explanation.

nice cheating, ul river. get em next year

I am pretty sure that Sands didn't offer the 1% freeroll in order for the guy to dump to him, was just sympathetic to his situation and was being nice to him by chatting. And if someone tries to chip dump to me, cause he has to leave...you know what? I'll take it.

Shut up, all you "I would inform him that chip dumping is morally wrong and against the rules". If he wants to chip dump specifically to me for some reason, i'll take his chips and will keep on playing. Not like we agree to this beforehand in exchange for something.

Also, the man informed the table that he saw his hand, what else do you want him to do? Yes, he call a raise from EP with a bad hand, but he knows the guys is ready to hand off chips (not unsimilar to a situation when someone tilts badly, obviously you open your calling ranges up), so he wants to take as many opportunities he can to see flops with him.

See nothing wrong with his behaviour.

I would be interested to see what this thread looked like if the name Doc Sands was removed and say E-Dog or Chino Rheem was inserted instead? Just a thought!

In before the divorce.

I couldn't comprehend finding out my dad had died and staying to finish day 1 of the tourney. I know people deal with a loss like that differently but it is certainly very strange. I mean, he obviously left to pack and came back and sat down again?

I can't believe sands tweet complaining after the hand lol.

yeah he sucks at math apparently too.

Sounds like the guy was chip dumping, Doc realized that the old guy was chip dumping (after the guy exposed his hand), then, understanding the situation, Doc shoved, forcing the old guy to dump his chips or fold.

I like Doc Sands, but with all of the witnesses and personal accounts to the event, he really should explain how his action in this particular circumstance, should not be considered collusion.

Playing dumb to the old guys motives just doesn't fly here, since the guy said he would have wanted Sands to have his chips, announced that he was playing his last hands and not returning for day two, then exposing his inferior hand, before snap calling with no pair, no drawi and only a five high.

The guy (as sad his story and disappointing his exit) should be banned from future WSOP events, and Doc needs to have a meeting with tournament organizers. And he owes it to his fans to explain why he doesn't feel he participated in colluding, given the circumstanceis and eye witness accounts.

Ppl who have been banned from rio properties mid tourney have been given refunds

I kinda feel like it's not a chip dump, as long as the guy's situation (he was going to dump chips / not play Day 2) was clearly audible to the rest of the players at the table.

It's possible Doc offered the freeroll to encourage dumping, but also possible he felt legitimately bad for the guy. How many people have sat next to a stranger as he learns of such awful news?

The chip dumping talk before the hand is a gray area, and when it comes to gray areas most humans err on the selfish side. I don't see where Doc acts any worse than a normal person would.

getting sucked out on after you promise the guy 1% of your winnings... priceless lol

i h8 u bro

??? Lots of people empathize with their tablemates if they tell a sad story about death in the family, job loss, divorce etc.; however, you don't see pros randomly giving out free roll percentages to them in the biggest tournament of the year. The guy was going to dump to someone and the he got offered free rolls and then he dumped to the guy giving him the free roll after blatantly showing his hand and calling all in with 5 high.

Another heartless dude who wants to be black on 2+2. How can you call a guy "scum" whose father just passed away on a day that the guy was so looking forward to? I'm sure the man was beyond in a trance at that point. I'm pretty sure that this man was just looking to get all-in late in the day, and Sands just so happened to be that person. It sounds like everyone else at the table was well aware of the situation (Sands even tweeted it ahead of time), and Sands reported it as soon as it went over the edge.

One day someone very close to you will have something awful happen to them, and at that moment you will realize how cruel your comments were. To even think that calling all-in with 5-3 in a poker tournament is comparable to coming to grips with the fact that your father is gone forever is the most absurd sentiment I've read on here yet.

One does not equal the other. Doc was just trying to give the man a rooting interest due to the fact that this gentleman was going to be away attending to family affairs and didn't get to give it a go in his first main event. It's a small gesture, but giving this man a chance to root for a well-known pro while he this man is going through some of the worst days of his life would probably have meant a lot more than you realize.

Why are so many people on here so damn cynical??