thoughts about collusion in big games online?
 

I'm locking the other thread about this because there was no reason to believe that any of the people that are accused of colluding actually are.

I'm not saying collusion isn't happening, or couldn't be happening, or that people playing in these games sitting at the same table aren't sharing pieces of each other. I'm just saying that without any evidence, it's not appropriate to have a thread with these claims that specific people are colluding/cheating whatever. The type of activity discussed in that thread has happened before (i.e. A warning about ADZ124), but there's no evidence that it has ever happened with any of the people being talked about here, and no reason to think that it ever has.

Please feel free to discuss the implications of good friends playing together at the same table, the possibility of people cheating, colluding, sharing pieces of each other while playing in the same game, etc., just avoid accusing specific people of doing this without anything to back it up.

Re: does collusion happen in big games online?
 

of course

Re: thoughs about collusion in big games online?
 

Is it wrong to have ppl standing over you discussing hands live while they are in progress? i.e. "sweaters"

Re: does collusion happen in big games online?
 

Exactly you;d have to be pretty stupid to think otherwise.

Of course online colluding happens in big games. Name anything where people don't cheat?

/thread

EDIT ok now title is changed :)

Re: thoughs about collusion in big games online?
 

Also I think it was very obv what gus was implying. I don;t see how a mod could claim gus wasn't implying cheating...

If you read the rest of the hand history you can read where Gus says he agrees that he thinks it was collusion.

Re: thoughs about collusion in big games online?
 

Swapping action while playing in the same game is clearly unethical if it is not public knowledge to the others at the table.

Re: thoughs about collusion in big games online?
 

Ya this goes on tons at high limits but you rarely hear about it. Much like before you never heard about multiaccounting when many of the top players were doing it before it was frowned on.

Re: thoughs about collusion in big games online?
 

Having seen first hand 2 regular MSNL players share hold card information while playing at the same table, I've got not reason not to believe that it hasn't/doesn't go on at HSNL.

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Dwan/Dangs/Galfond have won and lost some of the biggest online pots in history together. I don't think there's much possibility of anything unethical occuring between them

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You realize that if players are colluding it doesn;t matter what goes on between them in terms of cash flow right? DUCY?

BTW not implying any of those players do. Just that this logic is 100% false.

Re: thoughs about collusion in big games online?
 

collusion never happens at any stakes for the same reason you can not accuse dwan , galfond and urindanger . Cause they say they dont .

Re: thoughs about collusion in big games online?
 

care to do a public service and let others know who?

Re: thoughts about collusion in big games online?
 

This question still hasn't been answered by the high stakes players:

Is swapping pieces with other players while you play in the same game ethical?

Re: thoughts about collusion in big games online?
 

its a good thing you locked the other thread... because this thread wont at all be the same exact thread with a different title

Re: thoughts about collusion in big games online?
 

Wait, didn't the other thread get locked for pretty much this same type of talk?

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i think it should be considered cheating if you share action with other players at the same table. I suppose if everyone else at the table knows about it, and want to play regardless, then i suppose it's not that bad... but the general rule should be that it is against the rules to share action with other players playing in the same game. The online sites should enforce this.

Re: thoughts about collusion in big games online?
 

I think the other thread got locked for directly accusing people of cheating.

Re: thoughts about collusion in big games online?
 

I deleted my post but you know what fu dude, i wasn't accusing anyone of cheating which is what the other thread was locked for im assuming, i was simply asking gus who is present on the thread if he felt he was explicitely cheated as opposed to him just blowing off steam in the chat or w/e.

Re: thoughts about collusion in big games online?
 

I've been wondering how different the responses would be if any other pro had said what Gus said. Would it have been ridiculed as vehemently as it has been? Way to many Durrrr/Jman/Dang fanboys on this forum combined with too many Gus haters leads to a topic that has merit for serious consideration being derailed by overtly biased opinions.
Collusion at different degrees occurs at all levels, be it micro or nosebleed. To think otherwise is completely ridiculous.

Re: thoughts about collusion in big games online?
 

i'm less than nobody, but i think this is a valid question as well. chimp isn't making any baseless accusations whatsoever, he's asking the guy who started this whole discussion in the first place to stop beating around the bush and explain his comments explicitly.

Re: thoughts about collusion in big games online?
 

If the players do have a large piece of each other that qq88 becomes a hugely profitable shove, because it is mainly only playing against Gus's hand, and he has his range crushed. Situations like that alone seem to give players sharing action a pretty unfair advantage over someone like Gus who likes to play every hand, even if they aren't blatantly colluding as we generally think of it.

I wouldn't play against anyone sharing action, and I do think that not fully disclosing % swaps should be considered cheating.

Come to think of it, this could be a fantastic way to set up a PLO team. Don't actually actively collude, but crush the weaker players and don't worry too much about confrontations with the other good players, cuz those hands only play at 1/10'th of the stakes due to action swapping.

Prety shady imo, assuming they really are swapping large pieces and playing in the same games. No one has denied that yet i don't think.

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I agree.

Also, this situation with Gus has been building imo. Things have been pretty ugly for quite a while now.

Re: thoughts about collusion in big games online?
 

Its dumb to ask because Gus aint gonna say he was 100% colluded
against because he doesnt have any concrete evidence .
He may hint at actual collusion taking place against him because
he suspects that that may be the case just to let his frustration be
known. Like i said i think this may have been brewing for some time
now and it came to a point were Gus just let it out last night
when that hand happened . My point is i think if Gus made a mistake
about one hand he wouldve slept on it and apologised which doesnt
seem to be the case i think this runs deeper and maybe Gus has no
proof about what he actually believes is happening against him.
But he is letting these guys know what they may or may not be up to?

Re: thoughts about collusion in big games online?
 

You actually think that was Gus Hansen?