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Old 05-21-2008, 06:07 AM   #76
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Re: Superusers and Silence: How UltimateBet let players get cheated for millions

this will never happen again on AP or UB, since next time they will do it in a more clever way. They may take out money from the poker community for decades, and nobody will ever notice.
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Old 05-21-2008, 06:13 AM   #77
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Why everyone doesnt yet play at Stars still baffles me
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Old 05-21-2008, 06:45 AM   #78
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Great post OP. I will post it on a few UK forums when I get home.

The WSOP idea is great, it's about time this was brought into the public domain. So many people have no clue that this stuff went on.



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Old 05-21-2008, 07:25 AM   #79
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Thank you for the very well written summary. After some time away from poker I couldn't have a better synthesis on this important subject.
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Old 05-21-2008, 07:25 AM   #80
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Could be a guy tilt-shoving all-in every hand, me thinks.
With a VPIP of 22? I think he just really sucks postflop, runs incredibly bad, or really pissed off that red dot in the upper right corner.
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Old 05-21-2008, 07:48 AM   #81
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wsop will be the place to shame UB and AP pros.. people need to kick up a fuss..
I agree. I will personally be confronting Annie Duke and Phil Hellmuth at the WSOP, and suggest others do the same. I will ask them how they can represent a site that has either stolen from its customers or sat by idly and covered up the fact that they were stolen from. I would love to be seated at the same table with one of them during an event, I will be relentless.

Endorsing and promoting a site just because you are paid to do so is NOT ok.
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Old 05-21-2008, 07:49 AM   #82
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Re: Superusers and Silence: How UltimateBet let players get cheated for millions

yea lets taint online poker in front of everyone watching (or participating in) the WSOP who might want to come donk off a few K online..
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Old 05-21-2008, 08:02 AM   #83
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Re: Superusers and Silence: How UltimateBet let players get cheated for millions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Bet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_poker

I think that it would be an excellent idea for someone to edit this summary in part or in whole into UB and AP's wikipedia pages. Unfortunately, I do not have the time to do so but I hope that one of you will take up the mantle.

If you do so, please follow the wikipedia guidelines for citing your sources (they are linked in the post) and please don't delete other corporate information in their entries and replace it with the summary in its entirety. Publishing this irresponsibly will result in it being taken down under their virtual vandalism rules.

At the very least, this thread should be referenced in their entries so that anyone who wishes to learn more about the cheating can get the full story.

If someone does edit their wikipedia entries please link to the new entries here so that we all can see them and, if necessary, improve them as a community.

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Old 05-21-2008, 08:08 AM   #84
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NioNio had won over 600k in a mere 64 hours of play, a hourly rate of $9,687.96/hr. One of the ‘wow’ figures from this investigation is that the average American works 2088 hours a year, not counting overtime. If NioNio worked for those same 2088 hours he would have an annual salary of $20,209,668.48.
Useless statements like this are really irrelevant considering no-one on this forum would ever compare poker to a normal 2088 an hour p/year job.
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Old 05-21-2008, 08:29 AM   #85
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While UB and AP may have had super user accounts, Full Tilt no longer offers players a way to obtain immediate withdrawal of winnings from their site.
ummm...instadebit? you're thinking in too many dimensions
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Old 05-21-2008, 08:31 AM   #86
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great post!
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Old 05-21-2008, 08:34 AM   #87
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I agree. I will personally be confronting Annie Duke and Phil Hellmuth at the WSOP, and suggest others do the same. I will ask them how they can represent a site that has either stolen from its customers or sat by idly and covered up the fact that they were stolen from. I would love to be seated at the same table with one of them during an event, I will be relentless.

Endorsing and promoting a site just because you are paid to do so is NOT ok.
+1 - these fools should cop a verbal bashing
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Old 05-21-2008, 09:51 AM   #88
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Well written summary. Unfortunately, I wouldnt expect any of the poker mags to pick up coverage. The AP scandal might have recieved a small paragraph of coverage and they still run full page AP advertisements.

Has anyone gotten info on the UB ownership? We know they were purchased a few years ago by AP. The same guys from AP doing the same thing at UB?? AJ Green anybody? Are the two companies run from the same place now/ same offices/ same mangement???
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Old 05-21-2008, 09:59 AM   #89
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hey guys have u ever compiled a list of the final table players in major online tourneys and monitored what they did after the big cash. I noticed on FTP most dont play again and had played very little prior to the tourney.
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Old 05-21-2008, 10:03 AM   #90
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