Sunday Milion 2nd place player celofyz33, cheater?! - Page 8 - Poker News

apefish · 02-03-2010, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by aplunk

is this 2+2 telling us ma=+EV ?

No, and it shouldn't be read that way. It's me and only me remarking that a constant in threads like this is that blurred line though.

LiveActionPro · 02-04-2010, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by aplunk

odds?

You give me some, ill decide.

sqwerty12 · 02-04-2010, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by bandin

pretty sure this means that you think the asian man is the hottest lol

been trying to work this out for 3 minutes now. Thanks for confirming

wigan rl · 02-04-2010, 12:27 AM

Nothing will ever come of this even if it's his 'wifes' account

why?, his 'wife' could say to stars that he coached her ie having the same playing style

Didn't that douche who got spat on help his bro to win a ftops or wcoop?

Same point in question i'm not sure but dont think anything ever come of that

molinn9 · 02-04-2010, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by tomsOn

I completely understand that the concept of playing under another persons account is not cool, as it may lead to abuse, but in this case I fail to see the issue.

Let me get this straight. This was his only account that participated in this tournament? In fact it is probably the only account that he uses on Pokerstars?

I'm all for adhering to rules, but you have to put them into context. Does he gain ANY advantage whatsoever over his opponents if the account holder is a different person (assuming this is the only account he has on the site and he is the sole player using it, which is the case here I believe)?

He is not a well recognized player. The people who heard of Rafal Arendt are, apparently as you say, all aware of him using this particular account. And even assuming they weren't - it's not like he is obliged (even ethically) to inform everyone of his nicknames on all the sites.

I can't fathom the motivation behind OPs thread. Calling the guy out as a 'cheater' (are you serious?) and trying to potentially **** him over for 322k when there's NOTHING wrong from a fairplay standpoint, no inherent advantage to be gained (apart from maybe receiving a bonus from Pokerstrategy that he otherwise wouldn't have gotten? - but it's still cool, because they gain more from him signing up and playing on that account). Man, that's just EVIL.

+1 if this is the only account he uses why on earth is this a problem at all.

Scotty_12 · 02-04-2010, 03:19 AM

Pokerstrategy used to have a 'our coaches will rail your final tables for 10%' thing on their website. I just looked up a page I screenshotted and emailed my party host back in the day, the site is still active :

Freetranslation . com for the final table part:

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Final Table Coaching: What I yet would offer otherwise and also quite gladly would make is Final Table Coaching. Sprich you play self a tournament, is certain you however not really entire, bzw relatively inexperienced and nervously because it concerns at the Final Table now yet well money. Then spontaneously simply can try to contact and I say you how it play should me to it because the mistakes are at the Final Table as you know always the annoyingest and most expensive. For that we arrange before that I get one certain percentage of the profit, that determines itself always immediately. I view goes what at present appraise are your chip, like long the Coaching in the average and calculate therefore the percentage so from that I get in the average my normal privately Coachinglohn. For you, that is named therefore, wins its fewer, must deliver its also fewer. Wins its, gives also obviously was worthwhile its naturally more off, but it for you. Moreover I yet must add here that I have nen real good Karma

I already much tournament victory gecoached have, including a 300k tournament where the Coaching began at the 50 people left and with a TOP3 deal for ca. 27k$ concluded became.

guesswest · 02-04-2010, 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by LFC

Dont know how to make a pool but:

If somebody made an account lets say on FTP 7 years ago and after 3 years he realized that he didnt have a rakeback and bcos FTP couldnt help him, he opened a new account on his sisters name. He stoped playing on his first account and for 4 years he has been playing only on that new account. And he is the only one who is using that account.

Is that cheating ?

Exactly my thoughts, if there's no multi-accounting going I just couldn't care less and I don't think it's unethical in any way. If that is all that happened here and PS take his 330k I think it's a bad judgment call and incredibly harsh.

guardian troll · 02-04-2010, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by tomsOn

Let me get this straight. This was his only account that participated in this tournament? In fact it is probably the only account that he uses on Pokerstars?

I'm all for adhering to rules, but you have to put them into context. Does he gain ANY advantage whatsoever over his opponents if the account holder is a different person (assuming this is the only account he has on the site and he is the sole player using it, which is the case here I believe)?

well stars should be able to determine if this was a case of multi accounting in this specific tournament, if so then goodbye 2nd place money for celofyz, but if it was his gf's account then how that account was used, aswell as if he played on any other accounts could be in a gray area

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Originally Posted by tomsOn

I can't fathom the motivation behind OPs thread. Calling the guy out as a 'cheater' (are you serious?) and trying to potentially **** him over for 322k when there's NOTHING wrong from a fairplay standpoint, no inherent advantage to be gained (apart from maybe receiving a bonus from Pokerstrategy that he otherwise wouldn't have gotten? - but it's still cool, because they gain more from him signing up and playing on that account). Man, that's just EVIL.

heh he wasn't the idiot drawing attention to himself and it looks quite possible this was cheating, don't really see why your upset tbh

guesswest · 02-04-2010, 04:12 AM

And to those saying it violates the TOS, yes it does but tons of other things do also: berating your opponent, chatting in french, checking your opponents out on sharkscope etc. The punishment for all these things is a 'please don't do that or if you do it another five times we'll temp ban your account.' Assuming it is what it looks like and there was no multi-accounting this is on that level of seriousness, taking 300k from the guy would be absurd IMO.

PreacherCasy151 · 02-04-2010, 04:36 AM

I have often pretended to be a female at the tables and use a female avatar. They never think I'm bluffing.

My point is that people lie about their gender online all the time.

Thedevilsnight · 02-04-2010, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by gobbo

Very interesting, thanks OP. I'm gonna make sure stars sees it.

Did you finish in 3rd or something?

common too much policing going on.let the man have his money.
so many jealous heaters.

caught_clean · 02-04-2010, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Thedevilsnight

Did you finish in 3rd or something?

common too much policing going on.let the man have his money.
so many jealous heaters.

Heaters gonna heat. I have nothing to add to this thread other then I find it really interesting that flocks of random zero post euros rushed here to randomly defend this person hmmm.... seriously that alone makes me think OP is on to something.

Wikun · 02-04-2010, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by handbag86

OP put forward evidence (which has since disappeared?) that the person who registered the account on pokerstars might not be the same person who was playing the SM.

Above statement is wrong.
1. OP found some strange posts on PS forum (written by unknown user) with accusations about Celofyz33, Rafal Arendt etc. with a lot of hate and jealousy. Moderators of PS forums deleted that post because it broke their forum rules !!!
2. OP with his conspiracy theory thought he was on to something and decided to post it here.
3. It is quite common on the internet that some males pretend to be females (for all kind of different reasons,to get more attention/help etc)

punter11235 · 02-04-2010, 06:14 AM

Standard in Poland. When somebody wins something there is a lot of hate. The more he/she wins the more hate is to follow.
I mean, maybe it's the same in other parts of the world but at least people are decent enough to not to show it at every step. Sad, but true. (and yeah, I live in Poland).

davek300 · 02-04-2010, 06:16 AM

lol Poles squabbling ITT