Stoxtrader Responds To Cheating Allegations In HSNL Forum - Page 6 - Poker News

Fulzgold · 03-15-2010, 08:05 PM

Fulzgold · 03-15-2010, 08:07 PM

Stox, you should divulge sn's to prove there was in fact, no collusion. I'm a customer. Cough it up, yo.

zachvac · 03-15-2010, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Fulzgold

Stox, you should divulge sn's to prove there was in fact, no collusion. I'm a customer. Cough it up, yo.

+1 although I posted on the Stox forums asking to confirm/deny whether any of the 5 names mentioned were his or anyone he was involved with and he said he would not say any more about it.

**ChicagoRy** · 03-15-2010, 08:19 PM

You know there's an ethics problem when online poker training starts getting compared to major league baseball. I thought we were better than that...

LucidDream · 03-15-2010, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by glenrice1

David benyamine- on about his 10th account on FT
Patrik Anonius had a few on Full Tilt
Sauce123
Flawless Victory
LarsLuzak
Stevesbets
I think Eli Elezra said he had a few accounts once
Ozzy87
A lot of the early cardrunners videos

U shouldnt have Sauce's name on this list. From what i remember FTP asked him to switch back to his old name(without RB). His name is very obv and similar to his Stars name. And he made a post in HSNL saying it was him and that he had been forced by FTP to switch.

Fulzgold · 03-15-2010, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by zachvac

+1 although I posted on the Stox forums asking to confirm/deny whether any of the 5 names mentioned were his or anyone he was involved with and he said he would not say any more about it.

obv something to hide. pretty sad.

**Mason Malmuth** · 03-15-2010, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SoulPower

[B]In regards to 2+2, the mods originally moved the thread because of the anonymous and smear intended nature of the accusations and the thread stayed in the mod forum as near as I can tell because there was a safety issue involved.

We believe the original thread was started by someone who was already banned from Two Plus Two. Once this is the case, the person is not allowed to post on www.twoplustwo.com anymore. So the post/thread would have been removed no matter what it said.

Best wishes,
Mason

highhustla · 03-15-2010, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth

We believe the original thread was started by someone who was already banned from Two Plus Two. Once this is the case, the person is not allowed to post on www.twoplustwo.com anymore. So the post/thread would have been removed no matter what it said.

Best wishes,
Mason

So the mods were acting appropriately, because they accidentally acted in a way that coincidentally resulted in what you wanted?

Nick Rivers · 03-15-2010, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by highhustla

So the mods were acting appropriately, because they accidentally acted in a way that coincidentally resulted in what you wanted?

There's no need to cross the line on this. If Mason (or someone in the mod/admin team) had reason to believe the OP was a banned user, then it's totally defensible that the post would get removed. There's nothing wrong with a zero tolerance policy for banned users. The coincidence here is that a banned user actually had something to say that people care about.

**RayPowers** · 03-15-2010, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by highhustla

So the mods were acting appropriately, because they accidentally acted in a way that coincidentally resulted in what you wanted?

If that were true, do you think this one, or the one in HSNL would still exist?

highhustla · 03-15-2010, 08:56 PM

Note what I bolded.

That's not why the thread was moved.

kikadell · 03-15-2010, 09:01 PM

quoting with permission from nick rivers. i mean, this is pretty ****ing sick

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Originally Posted by Nick Rivers

Here is the link to the discussion in the HSNL March 2009 Thread about the 40putts/kinetica collusion. I consider the evidence to be pretty damning. If anyone wants to crosspost this in the NVG discussion, go right ahead.

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Originally Posted by glenrice1

David benyamine- on about his 10th account on FT
Patrik Anonius had a few on Full Tilt
Sauce123
Flawless Victory
LarsLuzak
Stevesbets
I think Eli Elezra said he had a few accounts once
Ozzy87
A lot of the early cardrunners videos

this is all true i guess

pimmelsau · 03-15-2010, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ChuckNorreez

... rule is multiaccounting is cheating, ban him forever.

no it's not. lol.

NapoleonInRags · 03-15-2010, 09:19 PM

Many players had multiple accounts early in the game. While always wrong, it was known, rarely looked down upon, and frankly wasn't much of an issue. Self-policing poker evolved over time. I think it's quite possible some didn't even know it was against the rules, it was openly discussed. I'm not condoning the behavior, simply you had to play then to understand the shift in thinking on this. I didn't, that's not my point. My point is to do this now, with all the scrutiny, with all the heat already on poker from multiple fronts, is beyond stupid.

I have no idea about Stox personally. In other words, I can conceive of things in life that might make it advisable to start a second account. Attention from LE, a divorce, etc, but any of those matters should have been cleared through the site and made publically known to the small number of people in that HS circle.

bulls_horn · 03-15-2010, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ChicagoRy

You know there's an ethics problem when online poker training starts getting compared to major league baseball. I thought we were better than that...

Uh, sure. Your training people to play a game where deception and bullying is considered fair and optimal play (inarguable)...In an environment where collusion and team play of solo game is commonplace (see here)...Hosted by institutions that stole millions from their players (Dutch Boyd, AP, UB, MicroGaming)...and everybody really really really hopes the RNG's are truly random.

So you think you're better than who?