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Old 05-10-2011, 06:27 PM   #106
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Re: Someone Please Post the huge call made against Isildur in the $2000 tourney

omg sick lol, must also have to much money
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Old 05-10-2011, 06:42 PM   #107
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Re: Someone Please Post the huge call made against Isildur in the $2000 tourney

.....unless we're talking laundery.

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Almost as rare as a Mexican folding.
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Old 05-10-2011, 06:46 PM   #108
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Super retarded call , icm and the fact he doesnt even beat his whole bluffing range.
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Old 05-10-2011, 07:08 PM   #109
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Re: Someone Please Post the huge call made against Isildur in the $2000 tourney

Exactly,...river air bluffs are happening more in live play also. I ran into it last night at the Turning Stone Casino.

After crawling back to even after being down $1100.00 in a $2-$5 $500 max NL
game, i was delt KQ os.

Flop comes Kh and 2 lower clubs,....and i bet $125 and one guy calls. Turn a
7h and i bet $150, ....he calls.

River comes a Qc , i bet $300 and he shoves remaining $680! The Q gave me top 2 pair (K's Q's) but the Qc made a club flush possible. For weeks i had been having jokers push me off decent pots when i had pretty good hands,.....just playing "too" safe.

At our casino it's OK to turn over your cards when 1on1, and i showed the rest of the table what my delema was. The all in bettor was like a statue, and i couldn't get a read on him for any help. After a minute or so i finally decided to honor the promise i made to myself a few days before, that when i was fairly strong the all in bet would have to "earn" the pot.

I called the $680 all in,.....and he said "you got it". He was on a straight draw and missed. I picked up over $1000 in profit that hand,.....and made my night.

Tough call for sure, especially since i had been beaten up a few days earlier by a father/son at the same table,....both when i had poc AA

With the father i flopped a set of A's, to a AQT flop. I bet the pot of $400, and he raises all in! I call my remaining $550 or so and found i was behind. He flopped Broadway,....urggrrrrr!!!! Didn't pair the board so that hurt.

Five hands later i get poc AA again and preflop raise $125,.....and the son calls me.

Flop comes KJT rainbow and i bet $300,.....he raises me all in. I call my remaining $425 and he flopped same Broadway straight!,......shoot me now!!! Two hands poc AA in 10 minutes and i'm down $1900 or so. What a night!

Anyway,.....all this previous action went thru my mind when i decided to call that river Qc all in last night.

.....sometimes you just have to squeeze your butt cheeks together and make
the call.

......sometimes you're up against air, sometimes you're beat,......but
i sleep better knowing i don't just give it up without a reasonable fight.

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What I was thinking exactly.
I'm all for bluffcatching herocalls against hyperaggro players ( or should I say, THE hyper aggro player ), but wait until you can at least beat his entire bluffing range...


While I do not agree with the call, this is not what poker has evolved to, it's what poker always was, i.e. when your opponent overshove bluff the river every other hand, you have to call him lighter.

Thing is, as mentionned, he couldn't even beat all his bluffs, and Isildur plays like it regularly, it's not like it's a one time only shot... Fold and wait for a better hand... He'll do it again when you beat 100% of his bluffs and some of his value range.

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Old 05-10-2011, 07:31 PM   #110
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Re: Someone Please Post the huge call made against Isildur in the $2000 tourney

I think it's very very funny to see some people who can't beat $1 tournaments saying that Caio is a donk.



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Old 05-11-2011, 03:29 AM   #111
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Re: Someone Please Post the huge call made against Isildur in the $2000 tourney

He's definitely no donk but nevertheless i'm still not sure about this call. There is obviously a decent bluff/missed draw element in isi's range but the issue is that a number of those misses/bluffs are better hands than caio had. In any case, congrats to caio, he showed real heart and conviction to back his judgement there - many players would have folded even if they felt isi was bluffing.
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Old 05-11-2011, 03:31 AM   #112
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Re: Someone Please Post the huge call made against Isildur in the $2000 tourney

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The problem is that isildur will be bluffing with the best hand a lot here. Even if he is bluffing 80% of the time I think he will be ahead more than 50% of the time (and he sure is bluffing less). Factor in ICM and realize that this is just a terrible call coming from a terrible player. I also couldn't care less whether or not isil is exploitable or even good. I never play in tournaments with him, but I do with caio_newb. That's why I will comment on his play and not isildur's.
Im nit arguing with you, I was arguing with the guy who claimed Isildur has the nuts 90% of the time when over-bet pushing the river, which would be retardedly unbalanced.
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Old 05-11-2011, 06:16 AM   #113
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Re: Someone Please Post the huge call made against Isildur in the $2000 tourney

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Im nit arguing with you, I was arguing with the guy who claimed Isildur has the nuts 90% of the time when over-bet pushing the river, which would be retardedly unbalanced.
I didnt say Isildur has the nuts 90% of the time, I said he will loose in that spot 90% of the time, and Isildurs history with overbetting the river with nuts/strong hands was a factor that made the call even worse.

The straightdraw fills up, the A hit, only missed draw was the flushdraw, and that flushdraw could be the nut flush draw or contain a pair higher than 5. Even with a soulread on Isildurs holding he could never know his 34s wasnt 67s.

I dont care if he have scooped $100 millions and won every tournament he ever played, this was a HORRIBLE call. He is just beat way waaaay to often to risk his good position in the tournament. Pushing all-in preflop with any 2 would be a better spot imo.
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Old 05-11-2011, 02:17 PM   #114
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I don't understand why people are saying this is the greatest call they have ever seen. I have seen "Potripper" make plenty of calls that were much better than this. He was probably the greatest online poker player in history in both tourneys and cash games.
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Old 05-11-2011, 02:22 PM   #115
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I don't understand why people are saying this is the greatest call they have ever seen. I have seen "Potripper" make plenty of calls that were much better than this. He was probably the greatest online poker player in history in both tourneys and cash games.
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Old 05-11-2011, 02:25 PM   #116
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Re: Someone Please Post the huge call made against Isildur in the $2000 tourney

ciao is obviously not a donk, even those who disagree with his play should know that. having stated that, just like any other player sometimes he makes good plays and gets unlucky and sometimes he makes terrible calls like this one and gets rewarded. he has a very unorthodox playing style and I can assure you this is not the only terrible line hes taken in his life. if he calls and was wrong everyone's reaction would be 'oh well thats his style, thats brazilian poker for ya', and when hes right obv everyone is gonna be on his nuts actin like he doesnt make mistakes. just cuz he got rewarded this time doesnt make it right
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Old 05-15-2011, 10:56 PM   #117
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Re: Someone Please Post the huge call made against Isildur in the $2000 tourney

Another big call v fullflush on the last couple of tables of the 2k SCOOP.

PokerStars Game #62154550032: Tournament #2011050193, $2000+$100 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXII (2000/4000) - 2011/05/16 3:36:24 WET [2011/05/15 22:36:24 ET]
Table '2011050193 37' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: fabstinho (113242 in chips)
Seat 2: lb6121 (248618 in chips)
Seat 4: Est-Ace (89860 in chips)
Seat 5: jackellwood (63876 in chips)
Seat 6: Legadzo (331771 in chips)
Seat 7: caio_pimenta (303389 in chips)
Seat 8: simon1471 (280809 in chips)
Seat 9: Mollpan (105358 in chips)
fabstinho: posts the ante 500
lb6121: posts the ante 500
Est-Ace: posts the ante 500
jackellwood: posts the ante 500
Legadzo: posts the ante 500
caio_pimenta: posts the ante 500
simon1471: posts the ante 500
Mollpan: posts the ante 500
Est-Ace: posts small blind 2000
jackellwood: posts big blind 4000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Legadzo: folds
caio_pimenta: raises 4700 to 8700
simon1471: folds
Mollpan: folds
fabstinho: folds
lb6121: raises 13000 to 21700
Est-Ace: folds
jackellwood: folds
caio_pimenta: calls 13000
*** FLOP *** [Tc Jd 3d]
caio_pimenta: checks
lb6121: bets 27500
caio_pimenta: calls 27500
*** TURN *** [Tc Jd 3d] [9d]
caio_pimenta: checks
lb6121: checks
*** RIVER *** [Tc Jd 3d 9d] [9s]
caio_pimenta: checks
lb6121: bets 198918 and is all-in
caio_pimenta: calls 198918
*** SHOW DOWN ***
lb6121: shows [Ad Ah] (two pair, Aces and Nines)
caio_pimenta: shows [Qc Jc] (two pair, Jacks and Nines)
lb6121 collected 506236 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 506236 | Rake 0
Board [Tc Jd 3d 9d 9s]
Seat 1: fabstinho folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: lb6121 (button) showed [Ad Ah] and won (506236) with two pair, Aces and Nines
Seat 4: Est-Ace (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: jackellwood (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Legadzo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: caio_pimenta showed [Qc Jc] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Nines
Seat 8: simon1471 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Mollpan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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