I am part of a group that put a team into Daniel Negreanu’s $25k WSOP Fantasy draft. Once the draft was completed (yesterday), our team made several side bets with other teams. Those bets totaled $101,000…$20,000 of it was with Shaun Deeb (his team vs our team).
Mike Noori (one of our partners) approached Shaun about 30 mins after the draft concluded and offered the bet. Shaun said he wanted to think about it, then came back to Mike, accepted the bet and shook hands.
About 30 mins after the bet was made, Shaun sent a text to one of our partners (not Mike) saying: “hey just heard something so want to cancel my bet”.

We discussed it via text, and all quickly agreed that cancelling the bet was not an option. Shaun made the bet and shook on it.

From there, texts were exchanged between Shaun and Mike. Mike told him that the bet would stay, and he couldn’t cancel it. Shaun responded with “as far as I am concerned the bet is off”. He explained to Mike via text that he “talked to a few people” and no one thought he did anything wrong.
Mike offered him a buyout of the bet, he responded that there is no bet. Mike offered to have it arbitrated, to which Shaun declined.

It is clear from Shaun’s first text “hey just heard something”, that he learned valuable information about either his team, or our team, after the draft, that impacted his decision to want to make a bet. We have ideas about what that could be (one on his team, one on ours), but the reasons are pretty much irrelevant.
Shaun made a bet based off current information about both teams, walked away, learned valuable information about one/both teams, then decided he wanted to CANCEL the bet.

This is no different than making a bet on Fantasy draft teams for the NFL, finding out a player is injured, then trying to cancel the bet. This is no different than making a sports bet, finding out a key player isn’t playing, then trying to cancel that sports bet. You would never get away with canceling a bet that you made, after you have learned valuable information that will influence that bet.
As a side note…one of the other guys we made a side bet with, Dan Fleyshman, drafted two players that he subsequently found out aren’t playing as full of a schedule as he thought they were. His text this morning to one our partners; “So now I basically have a 6-man team. I like your side of the bet now”. He didn’t try to cancel the bet.

It’s clear from Shaun’s responses to our team that he doesn’t intend to settle the bet or play it out. He also mentioned “go ahead and tell people that I’m a piece of a ****”. So, I am here to simply warn people…make a bet with Shaun Deeb, don’t assume he will honor that bet.

Will he call himself out on PNIA?
You know, to protect others from future scamming.

If you make a bet, you need to honor it. Pretty ****ty of Deeb that he thinks he can simply cancel the bet. This could get really weird if Deebs team wins the bet.... Do you guys then try to pay him since the bet is still on(from your standpoint at least)

How do people not have decent insight into players schedules before drafting them.

My god.

I'm interested to hear what this 'valuable information' that Deeb heard is. I could see OP's side now trying to freeroll Deeb if they win they say he shook on it and agreed to it. And if they lose, well Deeb requested to cancel the bet so of course there is no bet. OP, please enlighten us to what the information is that you think that made Deeb want to cancel the bet.

I assume it's one of the players isn't playing a full schedule so he doesn't like his side anymore.

I think a 30 minute cancellation is fine no? It's not like he has shook on a bet to win the WSOP and he has lost 90% of his stack and then cancelled the bet is it?

It would be pretty funny if someone told him they would be playing a full schedule when they weren't, just to stitch him up because he needs to be taken down a peg or two.

We don't know what the information is, as Shaun only said that he heard something. Guesses include one of his players not playing as much as he thought, and one of our players playing way more than he probably thought. That's it.

We aren't trying to freeroll anyone. Shaun has said the bet is canceled, not much we can do at this point other than hope Shaun realizes he isn't being fair and acknowledge the bet stands, or settles.

I'm sure he put up a ton of money on Mercier to cash the SRH bowl.

Why 30 minutes? Why not up until event 1 starts? Why not 10 minutes? Why any arbitrary timeframe?

The bet was made. Like any other bet, once its made it stands. 30 minutes is a lot of time to find out information that impacts the bet.

Think about this in the context of any number of other bets made. Do you put a "cancel clause" into any other bets? And if there is a 30 minute window or cancel clause shouldnt it be agreed to beforehand?

no way. action locks when draft starts. this is a clear reneg/scam

BREAKING NEWS: famous poker player has no morals or ethics?! More at 11.

poker players are mostly scum. hard to feel sorry for OP tho, they are gambling 25k on ****ing wsop fantasy LOL im sure they arnt crying in their milk over these "potential losses".

Seems very meh over a tiny edge

first sam greenwood now shaun deeb? (always thought shaun was a an annoying loser)

is there an update to yesterdays deleted thread of mikeygg3 accusing sam gweenwood of scammin?

It is getting totally boring listening to poker players moaning about and calling each other out about gambling and bets on unregulated betting markets, and unregulated poker (OFC).

The same applies to backing and staking too.

If you don't want these kinds of problems to surface then stick to regulated betting markets and for backing and staking devise underwritten or indemnified systems/platforms that bring poker backing and staking out of the dark ages and into the 21st century.

Otherwise, this is just playground nonsense and one can have little or no sympathy for either side in these petty immature squabbles.

How well does he know Noori? Maybe the thing he heard about was the sketchy McDonald's bet.

Take it to a different thread. Noori made a bet, didnt eat the food, and paid his loss. There is nothing sketchy about anything he did.

Salomon Ponte has offered to arbitrate

lol thread police! I don't really have a strong opinion about it, but the fact that he barely tried and solicited donations aroused some suspicions. Just throwing out another possibility of what Shaun may have heard that changed his mind.

IKR. It's actually kind of getting boring. What's interesting to me is I never realised this in the 06-09 heyday. Even Casting my eyes around my LC freeze out last night I saw walls of lowlifes with a few decent types sprinkled around. I was either too much in love with the game to see it or poker has gone to absolute ****

They weren't fighting over crumbs in the heyday.

All depends on how firm the handshake was imo

****ty person acts ****ty shocker

actually, when they shook hands, noori did not declare "no take backsies" and therefore the bet is not binding under international handshake law.

I'm disappointed to hear that Shawn has renegged on a bet like this. It is more concerning given that this comes from a credible source like rzitup, who, in my experience, is a deeply honest and credible poker stalwart.