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Old 02-03-2012, 04:21 PM   #2581
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Is that any less daft than doing nothing?

I don't get why so many here enjoy trying to get people to stop standing up for themselves, but we need to speak up and represent our position.

We need to show Romney that there is opposition to his position. There's clearly value there.
I think that sending letters to politicians is a good thing. It does help our cause. I just think that this specific instance is kind of pointless. He is not going to change his mind. It doesn't mean other politicians are not open to our views.
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Old 02-03-2012, 04:25 PM   #2582
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Re: Friday Action Plan: Mitt Romney says he opposes online poker. Let's tell him what we think!

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You people are daft if you think 200, or 2,000, or 200,000 messages will change Romney's attitude about a values issue like gambling.

He is a very devout Mormon. Simply look at the LDS church's acts with regad to pretty much *any* progressive position on personal liberties. And that's before you get to the fact that he's running for the GOP nomination.

Be serious...
Ummmm..I think you are the one that needs to be serious. Mitt Romney is a POLITICIAN. You aren't going to be successful in politics by being unwilling to compromise. You also aren't going to be as successful as Mitt was in venture capital by simply being a good little mormon. You do realize he has taken anti-mormon stances on a wide range of issues including Abortion. Poker is not even gambling (certainly no moreso than day trading) and he could easily justify it.

When leading a business, one has to make very tough decisions...not because of moral reasons, but because they affect the bottom line. If there is great support for online poker and Mitt believed that it would help the US's bottom line, then there is no doubt in my mind that he would support it.
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Old 02-03-2012, 04:27 PM   #2583
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Re: Friday Action Plan: Mitt Romney says he opposes online poker. Let's tell him what we think!

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I think that sending letters to politicians is a good thing. It does help our cause. I just think that this specific instance is kind of pointless. He is not going to change his mind. It doesn't mean other politicians are not open to our views.
He doesn't have to change his mind. He simply has to know that this is an issue with a lot of active supporters. Also, it's not like I'm asking anyone to spend weeks on this. It's a simple prefilled tweet and a quick post to his Facebook wall.
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Old 02-03-2012, 04:52 PM   #2584
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Ummmm..I think you are the one that needs to be serious. Mitt Romney is a POLITICIAN. You aren't going to be successful in politics by being unwilling to compromise. You also aren't going to be as successful as Mitt was in venture capital by simply being a good little mormon. You do realize he has taken anti-mormon stances on a wide range of issues including Abortion. Poker is not even gambling (certainly no moreso than day trading) and he could easily justify it.

When leading a business, one has to make very tough decisions...not because of moral reasons, but because they affect the bottom line. If there is great support for online poker and Mitt believed that it would help the US's bottom line, then there is no doubt in my mind that he would support it.
Yes indeed, he is...a GOP POLITICIAN, who already has MASSIVE problems establishing his bona fides with the rabidly social conservative GOP mainstream.

LOL at the relevance of Romney's venture capital adventures.

Anyone who actually thinks a GOP politician in a presidential race is going to join them in silly word games about whether or not poker (oh, but NOT blackjack, or Sports or Pony Handicapping) is skill and therefore "not gambling" is in for a major surprise.
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Old 02-03-2012, 05:13 PM   #2585
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Yes indeed, he is...a GOP POLITICIAN, who already has MASSIVE problems establishing his bona fides with the rabidly social conservative GOP mainstream.

LOL at the relevance of Romney's venture capital adventures.

Anyone who actually thinks a GOP politician in a presidential race is going to join them in silly word games about whether or not poker (oh, but NOT blackjack, or Sports or Pony Handicapping) is skill and therefore "not gambling" is in for a major surprise.
Perhaps you haven't noticed, but the question of online gaming has come up 0 times in all of the debates, and I wouldn't count on it coming up in any of the future debates.

In regards to him appealing to the social conservatives, that is absolutely correct until he secures the nomination. Once he secures the nomination he will shift to the left to appeal to moderates/independents. This is all just a game of perception anyways. Everyone knows that Mitt Romney's focus is primarily fiscal, not social and from that perspective online poker makes a lot of sense.

Either way though, if he becomes President, he won't be making the law, just signing it. If there is support for the bill, I see no reason why he wouldn't. It's not like it will come up in the 2016 election. It's simply not that big of an issue to the general public.
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Old 02-03-2012, 05:38 PM   #2586
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Does Romney have a Facebook page where I can tell him he lost my vote, also would like to tell him to stick his head in a hat and find some ****ing logic in there or maybe Joseph Smith will pop out and smack the **** out of him...
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Does Romney have a Facebook page where I can tell him he lost my vote, also would like to tell him to stick his head in a hat and find some ****ing logic in there or maybe Joseph Smith will pop out and smack the **** out of him...
Yes...check out post #1.
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Old 02-03-2012, 06:35 PM   #2588
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Perhaps you haven't noticed, but the question of online gaming has come up 0 times in all of the debates, and I wouldn't count on it coming up in any of the future debates.

In regards to him appealing to the social conservatives, that is absolutely correct until he secures the nomination. Once he secures the nomination he will shift to the left to appeal to moderates/independents. This is all just a game of perception anyways. Everyone knows that Mitt Romney's focus is primarily fiscal, not social and from that perspective online poker makes a lot of sense.

Either way though, if he becomes President, he won't be making the law, just signing it. If there is support for the bill, I see no reason why he wouldn't. It's not like it will come up in the 2016 election. It's simply not that big of an issue to the general public.
Exactly. The Democrats took control of Congress in 2007. In 2009 they had larger majorities in the House and Senate than the Republicans have had in the last 100 years. They also controlled the presidency.

The Democrats didn't even bother to bring the matter up for a vote.

The New York attorney general who closed down online poker reports to Obama's Democrat Attorney General Eric Holder.

There's nothing Romney can do to legalize poker.
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Old 02-03-2012, 10:32 PM   #2589
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Re: Friday Action Plan: Mitt Romney says he opposes online poker. Let's tell him what we think!

Im sorry but this is an issue that Romney will never look at or take seriously, he might put on a front and say he has people looking into it but he will never support it or acknowledge that some people are for it and see where they are coming from. He is mormon and that will never happen. And no im not just being prejudice about his religion. There is no practicing mormons out there who will acknowledge or accept gaming/gambling of any form as something that they would allow. If Romney becomes president he would become a major road block in regulating online poker. So if Romney is going to become president we all better pray that it gets regulated before he takes office.
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Old 02-03-2012, 11:00 PM   #2590
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Re: Friday Action Plan: Mitt Romney says he opposes online poker. Let's tell him what we think!

As much as black friday sucked...I sort of hope poker is just left the **** alone for the next 4 years.

I'm happy playing at merge/cake/bovada right now, and I really don't want some "you can't play for 180 days so the live casinos can get their software up and running" type of bull **** in the law and have merge/cake/bovada drop americans in the hope they can get a license.
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Old 02-03-2012, 11:50 PM   #2591
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Re: Friday Action Plan: Mitt Romney says he opposes online poker. Let's tell him what we think!

Marco from QJs wrote up a nice story on Mitt Romney's opposition, at http://www.quadjacks.com/2012/02/03/...o-hypocritical

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Republican presidential frontrunner Mitt Romney says he is against online gaming. This position is not only wrong for online poker, but wrong for Mitt Romney and the United States.

Mitt Romney has stated his position on online gambling, after promising back in October that he would do so before the Nevada caucus this Saturday.....
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Old 02-04-2012, 12:01 AM   #2592
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Im sorry but this is an issue that Romney will never look at or take seriously, he might put on a front and say he has people looking into it but he will never support it or acknowledge that some people are for it and see where they are coming from. He is mormon and that will never happen. And no im not just being prejudice about his religion. There is no practicing mormons out there who will acknowledge or accept gaming/gambling of any form as something that they would allow. If Romney becomes president he would become a major road block in regulating online poker. So if Romney is going to become president we all better pray that it gets regulated before he takes office.
This is obvious to everyone but the closet GOP apologists who want to have a reason to vote for him.

The very same Focus on the Family crowd who crowed overt the passage of Frist's disaster in '06 are the people Romney desperately needs to show that he really, truly is one of them. It's ridiculous to suggest that he'd go against both them *and* his natural instincts on an issue like this.
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As much as black friday sucked...I sort of hope poker is just left the **** alone for the next 4 years.

I'm happy playing at merge/cake/bovada right now, and I really don't want some "you can't play for 180 days so the live casinos can get their software up and running" type of bull **** in the law and have merge/cake/bovada drop americans in the hope they can get a license.
(2010) Déjà vu all over again.
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Old 02-04-2012, 02:33 AM   #2594
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(2010) Déjà vu all over again.
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Also, 2006 (pre-UIGEA), 2006 (post-UIGEA), and 2010 (pre-Black Friday). It's a dying breed wishing to cling to what remains of the U.S. facing poker market, but I guess there are still a few holdouts.
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Old 02-04-2012, 03:55 AM   #2595
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Re: Saturday Action Plan: Let's tell the Payroll Tax Congressional Committee to include poker

Saturday, February 4, 2012

For today, let's start telling the Payroll Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance, and Medicare Physicians Payment Fix Conference Committee to look at online poker as a possible revenue source.

The committee needs to resolve this by the end of February, so the timing is perfect for us. They need funding, which also works for us. And, if they don't act, we still benefit by the effort itself, as the members of the conference committee are leaders in the House and Senate!

These take just a couple of minutes each, so thanks for participating:
  1. Let's send the Conference Committee members + Sen. Reid & Sen. McConnell tweets urging inclusion of federal online poker legislation: HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, and HERE.
  2. Let's post and like pro-poker comments on the Facebook walls of Conference Committee members Sen. Baucus and Sen. Crapo HERE and HERE.
  3. Let's tell Mitt Romney what we think of his anti-poker statements (read more here) on his Facebook wall HERE.
  4. Let's send a NEW prefilled tweet promoting today's action plan HERE.
Please reply in this thread with "tweeted", "done", etc. to encourage others to participate. The past 144 actions have generated triple-digit participation, so let's keep it growing. Thanks!

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Payroll Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance, and Medicare Physicians Payment Fix Conference Committee Members:
  • Senate Republicans: Jon Kyl, Mike Crapo, and John Barrasso
  • Senate Democrats: Max Baucus, Ben Cardin, Jack Reed, and Bob Casey
  • House Republicans: Dave Camp, Fred Upton, Kevin Brady, Greg Walden, Tom Price, Thomas Reed, Renee Ellmers, and Nan Hayworth
  • House Democrats: Sander Levin, Xavier Becerra, Chris Van Hollen, Henry Waxman, and Allyson Schwartz

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