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Russian fold quads in One Drop???? Russian fold quads in One Drop????
View Poll Results: John Morgan had:
KK
74 6.09%
JJ
385 31.69%
T9ss
483 39.75%
Ace high flush
173 14.24%
Air
100 8.23%

07-02-2012 , 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by meatpies19
lol at people just stating he would have shown because of "xyz". if he had jacks full or a 109s or whatever he would still be surprized. he was probably confused as **** and just mucked.
and has no one pointed out how ******ed it is of russian guy to show? look how much attention hes got himself basically declaring he's a nit who will fold massive hands.
Why is that bad? He can use it to his advantage in the future. Tomorrow he lets people try to get him off of hands and he snaps them and laughs with 18 million in his pocket. Kinda rooting for this guy now.
07-02-2012 , 09:06 AM
No money in $1,000,000 tourneys -- everyone's solid.
07-02-2012 , 09:08 AM
Hmmm, so a stone cold bluff here is strictly out of the question? I think it is quite possible the villian had 56 here. Possibly 5s6s, so catching the flush on the turn, or just a busted straight draw.
07-02-2012 , 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by pr0wler
Based on everything I've read in the article, my own personal experience, and what others have said...I really do think John Morgan had T9ss. Very gangster fold.

Snap call on the flop = decision that doesn't require thought. I'm sure if he had JJ he'd take at least a few seconds to consider raising or give it a second thought at the very least. But if he has T9ss in his eyes that's probably a no brainer call situation. Snap call on turn = See above. JJ might snap call the turn but wouldn't snap call the flop IMO.

Snap shove on river = guy confidently shoves all-in to a 700,000 bet into a 600,000 pot. He MIGHT do this with JJ some percentage of the time...but when you discount maybe 1 combo of JJ preflop (he didn't 3-bet) it seems less likely he had this hand. Plus, I do think he'd put more thought into JJ on the river as there are a few hands that beat him and he would probably consider for a little longer before/if he shoves.

Close call but at least in this instance, I think he saved the rest of his stack.
Couldn't dissagree more with this. Its completely the opposite. With T9s or nuts on the flop it is never a snap call, it has to be a decision time whether to slowroll or to raise, a snap call is most indicative of a strong hand but not the nuts where amateur is scared to raise but is very confident in calling , meaning JJ.
This is why i am very much confident that he had JJ, because a snap call on the flop with T9s would have to be an extremely tricky play which i don't think this older amateur is capable of.

Very much a bad judgement by Smirnov and horrible fold without a single doubt.

Last edited by stevdoro; 07-02-2012 at 09:14 AM.
07-02-2012 , 09:11 AM
The guy is my new favourite. He can fold quads to a straight flush and nobody else can do it, even Dwan and Galfond
07-02-2012 , 09:11 AM
stevedoro; reasonable fold or horrible fold?
07-02-2012 , 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by pimmelsau
stevedoro; reasonable fold or horrible fold?
disgusting fold
07-02-2012 , 09:16 AM
It could be JJ: "wtf Smirnov overbets river?"
07-02-2012 , 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by stevdoro
Couldn't dissagree more with this. Its completely the opposite. With T9s or nuts on the flop it is never a snap call, it has to be a decision time whether to slowroll or to raise, a snap call is most indicative of a strong hand but not the nuts where amateur is scared to raise but is very confident in calling , meaning JJ.
This is why i am very much confident that he had JJ, because a snap call on the flop with T9s would have to be an extremely tricky play which i don't think this older amateur is capable of.

Very much a bad judgement by Smirnov and horrible fold without a single doubt.
Do you know this "older amateur"? Have you played with him?
Or are you just pulling all this out of your ass?
07-02-2012 , 09:18 AM
Anyone know if the cameras for ESPN caught this hand?
07-02-2012 , 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by TensRUs
Honestly, this is a 1mil BI tourney. We need to accept the possibility that some of the people entering this tourney think on a higher level than us, even though we haven't heard of them
Lmao. Ya they are playing at a higher level. You do realize the business men are rich from business not poker ?
07-02-2012 , 09:22 AM
What would Kessler do?
07-02-2012 , 09:24 AM
I think the point most of the nits are missing is, if you run quads into a straight flush it's a cooler. If you are making folds like this in tourneys then you aren't going to be winning tournaments plain and simple.
07-02-2012 , 09:24 AM
Smirnov played himself in the end too being on a much higher level of thinking when he thought that Morgan was unhappy because he had straight flush, instead Morgan was unhappy he wasn't called with Jacks full
07-02-2012 , 09:27 AM
I love how everyone thinks he has to have a hand here. It is still poker right? The businessman probably knows that a million dollars might mean more to a pro than a businessman, and is going to exploit that. I love the shove with nothing, and I hate the fold.
07-02-2012 , 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Vuggie
Do you know this "older amateur"? Have you played with him?
Or are you just pulling all this out of your ass?
I never played with him i am making an assumption which is most probable scenario, i could be wrong, the man could be an unknown online beast lol.
07-02-2012 , 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by EdBratz66
I love how everyone thinks he has to have a hand here. It is still poker right? The businessman probably knows that a million dollars might mean more to a pro than a businessman, and is going to exploit that. I love the shove with nothing, and I hate the fold.
Neither one of them was a pro
07-02-2012 , 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by WAtR
Does this event have hole card cameras?
I don't think so, it was still quite early on (level 4) in a 5 table tourney, so it's unlikely that there were hole card cameras.

People keep talking about him being priced in as if it was a cash game. Obviously, in a cash game you only need your quads to hold up 1 in 3 times for it go be a call and you can always top up again, but in a tournament that one wrong decision would cost him his tournament life, and in this case he could still fold and be decent enough stacked to have a tournament life. Without seeing Morgan play it's hard to say for sure, but if he really is as nitty as the articles say, it doesn't seem like he could really have too much more than the straight flush. Shoving with jacks full is only gonna get him called by hands that were beating him, because it would be hard to justify calling a shove on a paired bored with the nut flush. Unless he took the overbet on the river as a sign of weakness and made a gutsy bluff shove, Smirnov had shown too much strength the whole way through to expect a fold on the river, so he certainly seemed to expect a call. Ultimately, most likely a good fold.

Showing the massive fold was obviously a bad move, tempting though it may have been. If he is a really good player I suppose it has the benefit of inducing huge bluffs, making it easier for you to get stacked against players with lesser holdings. Still not a situation you'd probably want to play your tournament in, though...
07-02-2012 , 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by EdBratz66
I love how everyone thinks he has to have a hand here. It is still poker right? The businessman probably knows that a million dollars might mean more to a pro than a businessman, and is going to exploit that. I love the shove with nothing, and I hate the fold.
How are you assuming he was shoving with nothing? The only thing that might imply that was his snap calls, but if the other people in the hand's tells are at all accurate, his body language both before and afterwards suggest that he actually had a hand, coupled with the fact that he'd been playing quite tight...
07-02-2012 , 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by EdBratz66
Hmmm, so a stone cold bluff here is strictly out of the question? I think it is quite possible the villian had 56 here. Possibly 5s6s, so catching the flush on the turn, or just a busted straight draw.
You don't bluff your whole stack when there is no chips in the pot on a paired board.
07-02-2012 , 09:38 AM
07-02-2012 , 09:38 AM
07-02-2012 , 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by stevdoro
Couldn't dissagree more with this. Its completely the opposite. With T9s or nuts on the flop it is never a snap call, it has to be a decision time whether to slowroll or to raise, a snap call is most indicative of a strong hand but not the nuts where amateur is scared to raise but is very confident in calling , meaning JJ.
This is why i am very much confident that he had JJ, because a snap call on the flop with T9s would have to be an extremely tricky play which i don't think this older amateur is capable of.

Very much a bad judgement by Smirnov and horrible fold without a single doubt.
You cant slowroll on flop dude.
07-02-2012 , 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Vuggie
Neither one of them was a pro
Except the Russian.
07-02-2012 , 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by True North
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA this picture has so much win in it

      
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