Amateur nits hardly ever 3 bet JJ. Occasionally some numbskulls with flat with KK to "make sure an ace doesn't flop".

A call with the straight is actually pretty bad here. Against higher flush draws, pairs with straight draws, 2 pairs, and sets - i.e. the hands that give you action - you need to get money in quick.

By no means is it a no-brainer decision that requires no thought.

If anything, a flat call on the flop is one thing that lessens the likelihood of him having T9s IMO.

There are different nuts. One is AA on a board of A83 rainbow. Another is this crazy board. Flatting with the straight is pretty bad here. Not saying he's not bad because I don't know. But it doesn't fit what they're saying.

Dwan is hardly ever coming over the top here against a weak player because of the board and 2 opponents (and you said Morgan is bad). So if Morgan is waiting with the nuts on the flop for Dwan to come over the top, then yes Morgan is bad for not realizing that.

This is a good flop. Doesn't have anything to do with whether it's vulnerable or not.

T9s is so obviously vulnerable I feel cheap replying to your post.

Shoving the flop with this hand is probably better than just calling.

What exactly do you suggest with a $1.3 million pot and a $3 million stack? Make it $1.4 mil to go? $3 mil would be standard even if he had $12 googol.

Actually, he could "get it in in a better spot". After that, every yahoo would be bluffing him and he could easily win back that money with interest in an hour.

Actually, the more I think about this, the more I think Morgan's river reaction is fishy.

Everyone I know, including myself, and donks, and pros, would have seen the quads, and regardless of whether they had a straight flush, flush, boat, or air, would definitely have uttered surprise. "OMG, seriously?" or "Wow, holy crap."

Regardless of what he had. If I had the sf I wouldn't show, but I'd be surprised as **** at the laydown, and I'd say so. Same with any other hand I had.

Just listened to Katchalov interview on the pokernews podcast and he talks about the hand 41 minutes in. Listening to the perception of someone who was at the table, makes me lean even more toward 10s9s.

Katchalov said that Morgan was looking straight at him on the turn as if he wanted to tell him something and his eyes light up. He then started to look around as if he wanted to have people's attention.
He also looked around for attention after Smirnov overbet the river, like he was very confident about his hand and didn't need to study his opponent.
Smirnov told Katchalov that he overbet the river to get a tell on whether he had the straight flush or not. He thought that if Morgan reraised all-in with confidence after he overbet the pot, it would be a good indication that he had the straight flush.

http://www.pokernews.com/podcast/#jquery_jplayer_1

Holy fu*k spike, I don't know how to multiquote either but perhaps u should learn

Lol. Overbet for information. Lol donkaments.

How would anyone in that situation not show if they couldn't beat quads. No way I'm turning down that needle to the bumbs.

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"Guy would've shown a straight flush" - why? He's a successful businessman and probably knows the element of doubt is a way bigger power play. If he shows the straight flush the guy is super happy with how he's playing and gets a lot more confident. He shows a bluff and the guy gets sure fire tilted but knows he's tilting and can mentally regather by taking a break. But by just mucking he's going to spend pretty much all of the time thinking about it.

And also people saying air? That's an elaborate bluff he's setting up and it takes balls to decide it's the right play when he overbets the river.

Exactly and on top of that he said he will never tell anyone if he had it or not out of respect...

Come on what BS seriously he had a book...

What amazes me is that 40% of 2+2ers are putting him on T9 when its like less than a 10% chance he had it. Does that mean your all folding quads here too? Morons lol

there's no way i'm reading 600 posts on whether or not some guy should fold quads. i just want to say that a lot of times when asked for opinions on hands players aren't exactly 100% honest because they are being nice to the people involved in the hand.