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Russian fold quads in One Drop???? Russian fold quads in One Drop????
View Poll Results: John Morgan had:
KK
74 6.09%
JJ
385 31.69%
T9ss
483 39.75%
Ace high flush
173 14.24%
Air
100 8.23%

07-02-2012 , 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by osefiwin
Cool statement bro.

Hope you call every time you have 2nd nuts against a nit's push.
4th nuts.

Based on the description of the hand, it seems very likely he was right. I guess we'll see on ESPN?
07-02-2012 , 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by thatsnotplusev
If the villain that's jamming this river is a pro, it's a different story imo..
An amateur like this guy could easily have AJ with the A of spades and think his TPTK turned NF is good enough to value shove the river, even with the paired board.

Folding quads to an amateur in that spot is probably a horrible play 95% of the time...I wonder if Smirnov still tries to make that hero-fold if the tourney isn't a $1 mil buy-in..
This is very wrong. You can't ever fold this to a pro cause a) he's gonna have a range that makes sense and [NUTS] is not a range that makes sense here. and b) if he knows you do, he's gonna exploit the hell out of you shoving every time your range is capped.
07-02-2012 , 07:11 AM
the other guy prolly had Acxc and thought 5 black cards is good
07-02-2012 , 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by zizek
No, there is no outcome that makes this guy look like a genius. If it turns out the other guy had a straight flush then the fold is still insanely bad.
No it's insanely good. Can't fault a crying call here but if he was right then he was, er, right.
07-02-2012 , 07:15 AM
Bad fold I think, there have to be other combos than straight flush in his range here, very risky to read too much into excitement on turn or what ever. In any case, folding face up is a bad move. You open yourself up for a nasty show of inferior hand by opponent and even if the fold is good, your going to get a lot of flak from people and then youre going to question yourself. Not smart.
07-02-2012 , 07:15 AM
Imagine Teddy KGB's face when Hero lays down the Quads. 'The fack you lay down?'

07-02-2012 , 07:16 AM
oh dear god forget about whether or not it was correct or incorrect i just pray this guy wins it and this fold becomes legend. folding quads in a million dollar buyin is just absolutely great for poker if it gets coverage.
07-02-2012 , 07:17 AM
A nit doesn't need the absolute nuts to get excited. The fact that he didnt show makes me lean towards an embarrassed full house..
07-02-2012 , 07:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Feel
lool
07-02-2012 , 07:28 AM
"BRING ON THE RUSSIANS"!
07-02-2012 , 07:29 AM
this cant be real!! no fing way!!
07-02-2012 , 07:30 AM
The idea in a post above that the person shoving might have a flush is just too preposterous to comment on.

After Smirnov overbets the river, basically the only hands that can raise in this tourney are going to be hands the amateur thinks are the absolute nuts here, which is basically JJ and Ts9s. Already the straight flush is like 25% of the amateur's combos. If you think the amateur is 3-betting JJ preflop a lot of the time, suddenly his hands are really weighted to Ts9s. So it's not that crazy a fold.
07-02-2012 , 07:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by osefiwin
This is very wrong. You can't ever fold this to a pro cause a) he's gonna have a range that makes sense and [NUTS] is not a range that makes sense here. and b) if he knows you do, he's gonna exploit the hell out of you shoving every time your range is capped.
Never said folding to a pro would make it a good fold..just said it would be a different situation. Pretty much polarizes a pro's range jamming the river in that spot.. Also would be a different story playing a pro who say for example, raised to 1.9m instead of jamming the river...even though you're still priced in with quads..
07-02-2012 , 07:33 AM
What a crazy fold... Or a genius fold.. Are we sure the guy knew the board was paired with the 8...?
07-02-2012 , 07:34 AM
Honestly, this is a 1mil BI tourney. We need to accept the possibility that some of the people entering this tourney think on a higher level than us, even though we haven't heard of them. I'm not saying the fold is good OR bad, but I am saying that I don't think any good player will automatically say that the person that made this fold is ******ed.

Math doesn't point a gun to our head and make us stack off coolers 100% of the time.

And besides,

IF IT WAS SUCH A BAD FOLD MORGAN WOULD'VE TABLED HIS HAND TO SHOW HOW MUCH OF A F***ING ****** SMIRNOV WAS
07-02-2012 , 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by zizek
It has to be a straight flush more than 2 out of 3 times.
Wrong. It's not a cash game, it's a tournament. You lose and your dead. This is the reason it's not always correct to take coin flips, even with favorable odds.

Next, it's a $1 million tournament. There is no long run for this. That is definitely a factor.

Still a terrible fold, but ur logic in the above post is flawed.
07-02-2012 , 07:38 AM
Image fold
07-02-2012 , 07:42 AM
Shouldve made a forward motion with his chipstack to see if villain made any attempt to go for the double fistpump supersnap-call.
07-02-2012 , 07:46 AM
It's obviously a poor fold, his rationale is saying that his opponent would have 3 bet him with JJ or KK but thats I can see a limp here from an amateur. However if he still thinks he can win the tournament without making the call its not a terrible play.
07-02-2012 , 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Feel
lol, nice
07-02-2012 , 07:52 AM
Surely Morgan would have showed the hand if it was anything less than the straight flush?
07-02-2012 , 07:57 AM
Villain's pre-flop, flop and turn's actions, imo, rule out KK and JJ. I see amateur players raising sets on these boards - snap call is something different. Always a bad fold mathwise, but if Smirnov was correct it would be best fold in history of poker. Is this even televized?
07-02-2012 , 07:58 AM
If guy has straight flush there, he'd show as soon as quads are tabled
07-02-2012 , 08:00 AM
This is just typical nit play. Anytime villain is very aggressive nit folds if he doesn't have the nuts and there is a chance he is beat.

The fact is that this was an amateur raising here and his range was very large. Is it possible amateur flatted with KK from BB? Of course. Is it possible that he had JJ or 77? Duh. Is it possible he had a flush or misplayed his hand in some other way? Uhhh yeah, that's what these donkeys do. Is it possible he was just making a play because he thought the russian wasn't that strong and this was the only way he could win the hand? Of course!!!!

This russian is welcome to play in my cash games anytime. LoL @ "semi-pro"
07-02-2012 , 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by UCBananaboy
If guy has straight flush there, he'd show as soon as quads are tabled
That makes no logical sense. If your opponent makes the right fold you don't show him to give him confidence and boost his ego (while making yourself look stupid for not getting max value vs quads).

      
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