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Davino 07-02-2012 05:12 AM

Russian fold quads in One Drop????
 
inexplicable:

Phil Galfond just witnessed the unthinkable.

“I’ve never seen a fold like that, absolutely not,” the cash game pro said.

At around 5 p.m. local time during the fourth blind level, Galfond was present to see his table mate in the $1 million buy-in WSOP event, Russian semi-pro Mikhail Smirnov, fold quads on the river to an all-in bet.

According to Smirnov, the action started with Tom Dwan opening to 32,000. Smirnov called from the small blind with the 8:heart:8:diamond:, and businessman John Morgan called from the big blind.

The flop fell J:spade:8:club:7:spade:. Smirnov bet 50,000, Morgan called quickly, and Dwan folded.

The 8:spade: hit the turn. Smirnov bet 200,000. Morgan called instantly.

Smirnov said Morgan looked very excited on the turn.

The K:spade: landed on the river, and Smirnov bet 700,000, which was more than the pot of 600,000. Morgan thought about it briefly and then shoved for about 3.4 million total, which was about the size of Smirnov’s stack. Smirnov folded the quads face up.

“For me, it was a very easy fold,” Smirnov said. “If he had two kings before the flop he would have re-raised Dwan, because he’s been active and raising a lot. So, two kings was impossible. Two jacks, in theory, was possible.”

Smirnov said that he thought jacks full of eights wouldn’t have been such a confident shove on the river. “He was like all-in, no problem. Before he had been playing very carefully and tight.”

According to his logic, Morgan would have the 10:spade:9:spade:.

The size of the buy-in was not a factor in the decision, Smirnov said. He added that Morgan seemed visibly upset after the hand, giving more validity to the fold.

“I personally couldn’t have done it,” Galfond said. “I’d lose sleep. But, I think it was a reasonable fold actually. There are definitely very few hands John could have had that weren’t a straight flush. Jacks full was probably the one that made the most sense, other than a straight flush.”

According to Galfond, the table erupted once the quads were shown. Dwan left the table in disbelief.

Smirnov, who has a Ph.D in economics, is a regular in huge cash games in Russia.

On Tuesday, more than $18 million will go to the last man standing in the 48-player field.

montabarnak 07-02-2012 05:13 AM

Re: Russian fold quads in One Drop????
 
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DePokerGod 07-02-2012 05:15 AM

Re: Russian fold quads in One Drop????
 
I'm just surprised a russian actually managed to fold a hand.

Davino 07-02-2012 05:25 AM

Re: Russian fold quads in One Drop????
 
http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news...-million-event

stevdoro 07-02-2012 05:33 AM

Re: Russian fold quads in One Drop????
 
its a terrible fold, what a tool.

Trent813 07-02-2012 05:35 AM

Re: Russian fold quads in One Drop????
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stevdoro (Post 33558281)
its a terrible fold, what a tool.

I wouldn't say terrible.. they are playing for a lot of money...

Gabethebabe 07-02-2012 05:36 AM

Re: Russian fold quads in One Drop????
 
We want less poker related threads from Davino and more PICTURE THREADS

oneforme 07-02-2012 05:38 AM

Re: Russian fold quads in One Drop????
 
woow. Probably correct fold if Morgan didnt show his hand right?

Mrtrebus 07-02-2012 05:44 AM

Re: Russian fold quads in One Drop????
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Davino (Post 33558196)
inexplicable:

“If he had two kings before the flop he would have re-raised Dwan, because he’s been active and raising a lot. So, two kings was impossible. Two jacks, in theory, was possible.”

“He was like all-in, no problem. Before he had been playing very carefully and tight.”

Seems hes trying to justify it to himself. Even if the straight flush and jacks full are the only hands in his range, its still a call

kep 07-02-2012 05:46 AM

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sick fold :eek:

jjjjudas 07-02-2012 05:51 AM

Re: Russian fold quads in One Drop????
 
Easy fold.

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WAtR 07-02-2012 05:52 AM

Re: Russian fold quads in One Drop????
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stevdoro (Post 33558281)
its a terrible fold, what a tool.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil Galfond
But, I think it was a reasonable fold actually. There are definitely very few hands John could have had that weren’t a straight flush.

I wonder which of the two great poker players quoted above people should listen to here...

needsumthin 07-02-2012 06:01 AM

Re: Russian fold quads in One Drop????
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Davino (Post 33558196)
businessman John Morgan

Smirnov said Morgan looked very excited on the turn.


" Two jacks, in theory, was possible.”

Smirnov said that he thought jacks full of eights wouldn’t have been such a confident shove on the river. “He was like all-in, no problem. Before he had been playing very carefully and tight.”

a businessman is very happy with jacks full...**** he'd prolly be donk happy with QQ-AA lol

how does he say he's active and raising a lot...and then go on to say he was playing VERY carefully and tight?

sounds like someone trying to make themselves feel better...he lied when he said BI didn't matter...if it didn't matter then you HAVE TO call

Mark275 07-02-2012 06:02 AM

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i bet the dood had the str8 flush here, gn my s0ns

i mean he wouldve showed JJ or KK to tilt him, i know i woudlve
if hes 100% the dood aint bluffing, then what hand can he beat? nice fold son

needsumthin 07-02-2012 06:04 AM

Re: Russian fold quads in One Drop????
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WAtR (Post 33558347)
I wonder which of the two great poker players quoted above people should listen to here...

lol i do agree with your post...but it's galfond, dude is an uber nice guy and a smart one...he is not gonna say it was a terrible fold to an interviewer that he knows would be putting the interview out to the public for everyone to view, including the ppl in the hand...

my .02 on that

stevdoro 07-02-2012 06:05 AM

Re: Russian fold quads in One Drop????
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WAtR (Post 33558347)
I wonder which of the two great poker players quoted above people should listen to here...

obv the one above:)

Phil would call too fwiw. I think by reasonable he means that one could find a fold there, but no way he would ever fold it.

kep 07-02-2012 06:07 AM

Re: Russian fold quads in One Drop????
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by needsumthin (Post 33558379)
a businessman is very happy with jacks full...**** he'd prolly be donk happy with QQ-AA lol

how does he say he's active and raising a lot...and then go on to say he was playing VERY carefully and tight?

sounds like someone trying to make themselves feel better...he lied when he said BI didn't matter...if it didn't matter then you HAVE TO call

He was saying that Dwan was active and raising lots so Morgan would have likely 3 bet KK preflop.

meatpies19 07-02-2012 06:08 AM

Re: Russian fold quads in One Drop????
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark275 (Post 33558387)
i bet the dood had the str8 flush here, gn my s0ns

i mean he wouldve showed JJ or KK to tilt him, i know i woudlve
if hes 100% the dood aint bluffing, then what hand can he beat? nice fold son

Spoiler:
dood/




sick hand for sure. lol@ the comment about dwan leaving the table :D

bugaz 07-02-2012 06:09 AM

Re: Russian fold quads in One Drop????
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by needsumthin (Post 33558379)
a businessman is very happy with jacks full...**** he'd prolly be donk happy with QQ-AA lol

how does he say he's active and raising a lot...and then go on to say he was playing VERY carefully and tight?

sounds like someone trying to make themselves feel better...he lied when he said BI didn't matter...if it didn't matter then you HAVE TO call

He's saying that durrrr was very active and raising a lot, not the businessman.

needsumthin 07-02-2012 06:10 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kep (Post 33558418)
He was saying that Dwan was active and raising lots so Morgan would have likely 3 bet KK preflop.

hey! i like to gloss over things that don't improve my argument OK BRO!

lol jk, reread it and yea you're right...my bad...still bad fold imo!lol

V-Delaney 07-02-2012 06:10 AM

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That **** crayyyyy

ReliableSource 07-02-2012 06:11 AM

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Are we ruling out that the villian didn't notice the paired board and shipped it with the nut ace high flush?

action10 07-02-2012 06:11 AM

Re: Russian fold quads in One Drop????
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by needsumthin (Post 33558379)
how does he say he's active and raising a lot...and then go on to say he was playing VERY carefully and tight?

Wasnt he talking about Dwan when he said that hes been active and raising a lot

Feel 07-02-2012 06:18 AM

Re: Russian fold quads in One Drop????
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DePokerGod (Post 33558212)
I'm just surprised a russian actually managed to fold a hand.

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg13/...pg&res=landing

archii 07-02-2012 06:21 AM

Re: Russian fold quads in One Drop????
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Trent813 (Post 33558285)
I wouldn't say terrible.. they are playing for a lot of money...

pffff.. It doesnt matter whether they play a million dollar buy-in tournament or a normal $5k WSOP event. The buy-in should not matter, if it does it's too big for you.


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