Russ Hamilton directly implicated by KGC - Page 11 - Poker News

rarerabbit · 09-30-2008, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MauiPunter

LOL. Btw, yer avatar is sooo ****ed up in soooo many ways, I dont even know WHERE to begin. LOL.

+1 and then some. Get rid of the damn thing.

But Maui, your avatar is one of the VERY BEST.

rarerabbit · 09-30-2008, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by barryg1

We still don't "know" who was involved. Even if Russ was involved in cheating on UB at it's earliest point, he's certainly didn't have the ability to set it up. There had to be others involved, probably on the playing side in addition to the technical side.

With some of you guys getting satisfaction in hanging Russ or spewing out names of innocent people, it can cloud the issues and help the real criminals blend into the pack. We will probably never hear the whole truth, but we need to hear the truths that were gleaned from this investigation and a way to determine if this investigation was on the up and up. Guilty parties doing time (resulting from a trial) who can provide consistent corroborated stories pointing to other guilty parties will help.

Barry

P.S. I have not yet received a PM from Oliver or anyone else who will help me clean up my sullied reputation.

P.P.S. In an earlier post someone said they needed proof that Freddy Deeb got refunds or this implicates him as a cheater. We can have the Internet poker version of the Salem witch hunts. Anyone who played high stakes and didn't get a refund is a cheater. I guess I'll be the first to be hanged!

You make a key point here Barry. Those most familiar with the workings of Vegas and live games know very well that when a guy leaves the Nevada Gaming Commission, he is already setup with a casino job.

Ex N.J. Gaming officer, now with private company he owns, and probably no prior internet forensics experience leaves a lot to be disired. He may very well be an honest guy, but for years now (longer than most internet players have been alive), the distinction between the casino house and it's regulators has become very blurred.

The whole KGC smells scam to me, but it is to be expected that internet gambling is bound to be an attractive avenue for high level con men.

Mindless assaults on your actions Barry are laughable, and are little more than graffiti on the forum. Frustrating, but soon forgotten.

Thanks for your efforts.

frogstomp · 09-30-2008, 06:55 PM

this article was on the 3rd page of The Age which is a newspaper with high circulation here in Melbourne. i cant remember there being an article about poker in there since Hachem won the ME.

rarerabbit · 09-30-2008, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by rarerabbit

The whole KGC smells scam to me, but it is to be expected that internet gambling is bound to be an attractive avenue for high level con men.

Hope it's OK to quote yourself.

One thing that would be very helpful, and Barry G. could help push this along.
Have a PokerStars representative post on here why they have no relationship any longer with KGC. They need to provide specific reasons for terminating this relationship.

No one expects them to comment on UB any any fashion.

And also to explain who is the Interactive Gaming Council that Stars now lists a relationship with.
Do they function as a "Gaming Commission", or is it more of a trade group for like businesses?

Until there can be actual and trustworthy oversight of gambling sites (I hate the phrase Gaming, call it what it is!); Stars or any other site that cares to could take a big step by describing any relationships they have with outside parties that act in some form of game or fraud security.

But it can't be a sales pitch. It has to describe the relationship and if the outide entity provides security; describe if they have unlimited 24 hour access to the site.

Josem · 09-30-2008, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by rarerabbit

Hope it's OK to quote yourself.

One thing that would be very helpful, and Barry G. could help push this along.
Have a PokerStars representative post on here why they have no relationship any longer with KGC. They need to provide specific reasons for terminating this relationship.

No one expects them to comment on UB any any fashion.

And also to explain who is the Interactive Gaming Council that Stars now lists a relationship with.
Do they function as a "Gaming Commission", or is it more of a trade group for like businesses?

Until there can be actual and trustworthy oversight of gambling sites (I hate the phrase Gaming, call it what it is!); Stars or any other site that cares to could take a big step by describing any relationships they have with outside parties that act in some form of game or fraud security.

But it can't be a sales pitch. It has to describe the relationship and if the outide entity provides security; describe if they have unlimited 24 hour access to the site.

You should email support and ask them yourself. 'News, Views, and Gossip' is not the PokerStars support forum.

MtnDave · 09-30-2008, 09:27 PM

The Absolute Poker and Ultimate Bet scandal has been slashdotted
It's officially of interest to nerds everywhere.

eastern motors · 09-30-2008, 10:21 PM

You people jumping on Barry are ridiculous. He went out on a limb and said he thought Russ knew who cheated, thus putting pressure on Russ. He could have just stayed silent like most of the big names that stand to make money by being non-controversial.

Barry has an IRL reputation and can't make wild accusations like the rest of the 17 year olds here.

GiantWalleye · 09-30-2008, 10:36 PM

Absolute Poker has referred to Grimstar as a "consultant" for the company

uh oh

oober · 09-30-2008, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by barryg1

We still don't "know" who was involved. Even if Russ was involved in cheating on UB at it's earliest point, he's certainly didn't have the ability to set it up. There had to be others involved, probably on the playing side in addition to the technical side.

With some of you guys getting satisfaction in hanging Russ or spewing out names of innocent people, it can cloud the issues and help the real criminals blend into the pack. We will probably never hear the whole truth, but we need to hear the truths that were gleaned from this investigation and a way to determine if this investigation was on the up and up. Guilty parties doing time (resulting from a trial) who can provide consistent corroborated stories pointing to other guilty parties will help.

Barry

P.S. I have not yet received a PM from Oliver or anyone else who will help me clean up my sullied reputation.

P.P.S. In an earlier post someone said they needed proof that Freddy Deeb got refunds or this implicates him as a cheater. We can have the Internet poker version of the Salem witch hunts. Anyone who played high stakes and didn't get a refund is a cheater. I guess I'll be the first to be hanged!

Barry, you are friggin awsome...

Can I have an autograph pic of you cleaning up your sullied rep?

bulls_horn · 10-01-2008, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by budblown

I'm curious as to what authorities would be involved? The KGC? That seems like the only governing body that has any jurisdiction here.

Would any lawsuits be valid in the U.S?

This sentiment that Hamilton and others are exempt from criminal or civil prosecution because of UB's "offshore" status is driving me nuts.

Allow me to play a little fast and loose with facts discussed in this thread to illustrate:

Fact: Russ Hamilton lives in the USA
Fact: Freddy Deeb lives in the USA.
Allegation: Russ Hamilton participated in a consipiracy to defraud Freddy Deeb (et al.) of millions of dollars.

A key component of this fraud was hours of commercial time shown on USA TV (not a stretch if you consider FSN's BDPS is a giant commercial).

Conclusion: RH should definitly be on the hook for fraud and theft charges, mabe even RICO charges. And after he's convicted, why wouldn't Freddy be able to sue Hamilton and UB to recoop losses?

108 · 10-01-2008, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by kerze

Congrats to Josem for getting this story in the mainstream Australian media

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Can someone in Australia verify that this story is running in the print editions?

That would involve me leaving my room and going downstairs to the milkbar and checking the newspapers. I'll see if I can make it.

I'm all for the fraudsters being brought to justice, but I just can't help thinking this negative exposure going mainstream is going to be terrible for online poker in the long run.

rizeagainst · 10-01-2008, 03:48 AM

fatjaz · 10-01-2008, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by barryg1

And to those who think it hurts my reputation that I said "I thought it was less than 50% likely that Russ was behind this after talking to him, but I was sure he knew (after the fact) who was involved," I can only say I don't get it. My reputation is that I'm honest and I'm fair, and I can't see how this has dented it.

Barry

I think your reputation for fairness and honesty is pretty safe Barry, but how about your reputation for making good "reads"?

bulls_horn · 10-01-2008, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by fatjaz

I think your reputation for fairness and honesty is pretty safe Barry, but how about your reputation for making good "reads"?

What kind of asshat, d-bag thing to say. The guy took the dude at his word, and formed an opinion. Upon recieving new info, he revised his opinion. I mean, its not like he's Phil Hellmuth and can read people's souls or anything. He understands (unlike some of the "kids on 2+2 who jump to conclusions without any facts") that it's a fluid situation and the truth will come out.

blainestar · 10-01-2008, 07:34 AM

Anyone calling Barry out is beyond retarded.

In reguards to what he said about "2+2 kids on witchhunts" you guys are taking it the wrong way. He's not saying that 2+2 is fos, he's saying it's impossible for anyone to read and believe this garbage because of some of the **** you guys post with no factual base. If you look through all the UB threads without your eyes bleeding you will notice a large percentage of them are outlandish speculation with no facts that actually do more harm than good.