Playing 1/3 NL Sunday afternoon in the Rio poker room waiting for the 2 PM Daily Deepstack which was moved to 7 PM.

Hand history is not relevant. Player 1 moves all in post flop for approx. $210, Player 2 is thinking for less than 30 seconds. A floor person is standing next to our table and proceeds to call the clock on player 2 and gives him ten seconds to act then begins the count down.

She said she called clock as dealers were waiting to change downs and did not want the game held up. And, according to new WSOP rules the floor can call clock at any time. We were not happy.

Thoughts?

Lol, ridiculous

Fire-worthy offense, another floor should have been called over after or immediately

The new wsop rules are for tournaments and even if it were a tournament in an identical situation it would still be be inappropiate

If it were really just 30 seconds, I would just ask for a rack, walk by her and tell her to die in a fire. I'm sure if that was a rec player he's never coming back, and it's not like the Rio is the only place in town to find good action this time of year.

Yes, less than 30 seconds. The floor manager got involved and said it was perfectly reasonable and with the new rules she was fine to call clock.

Player 2 folded KK face up so he actually had something to think about.

I wish dealers could call the clock on players and not have to go through the floor.

Of the many ridiculous parts of this incident, this post says it all: how are the WSOP rules in any way applicable to the cash games?

Every year, someone makes a WSOP "sweat thread" to contain all of the posts following the series. Given all the crazy stories from down the hall, we're probably overdue for an "annual Rio cash game containment thread," started each year at the same time. I hereby move that this thread be that one.

To the OP specifically, how long were you there before this took place? The only possible explanation I'd have is that Player 2 is a habitual tanker, so the floor decided to head it off at the pass. But even that makes very little sense, since a) they gave you a different explanation, b) facing a flop all-in would reduce the chances of this being a habitual tank, and c) it's not like there is any incentive to stall in a cash game.

Anyway, crazy stuff. I still have never played cash games at Rio, but these threads make me doubt I ever will.

And what would be a reasonable amount of time for a dealer to be able to call a clock?

I had been playing with player 2 for about two hours and he was by no means a slow player. The game was moving along fine.

I believe the floor person was stressed because it was busy, nothing more. They also stated that the WSOP rules applied to cash games as well as tourney play.

Awful, pretty much everything about the Rio this year has been terrible besides a few great employees.

It was a post flop decision and we don't know the board texture, so...

my bad thought it was pre. Post deleted

This could get you banned for life from Caeser's properties. Massively -EV.

Obviously a ridiculous ruling and rule. Especially if floor can arbitrarily kill your hand in ten seconds. Not surprising however and the type of **** you have to be prepared to deal with playing in the Pavillion. Much better places to play 1/3 or 1/2 in Vegas with less rake and more comps.

Wow, just wow. I've seen some pretty bad floor rulings, but this might be the worst.

It sounds like a clueless floor person on a power trip. They should be fired.

What else are you referring to besides the cards in the one drop?

Ya that's a great way to get your customers to go elsewhere ESP. bad for rec. players. Surprised the floor manager was ok with it as well. Never seen anything like this playing live thankfully.

I totally disagree. Tanking in NLH cash games at times causes me to get up and leave. I'm fine with the floor enforcing a clock rule and being able to do so as a matter of discretion.

examples?

Awful cards awful dealers awful floor decisions awful cash game pit management awful concessions, everything just seems a bit worse than last year and last year wasn't very good. I don't want to take away from a lot of the truly great employees that work here every year but they're very rare and the average employee is unacceptably incompetent.

What do you guys think of the Action Clock ? It's been used in Tournaments and most recently at the Gardens Casino in California but it can be tailored for Cash games.

It has out of the box pause/resume buttons when dealers need to get a chip count for situations like an all in, but more importantly one can go into the settings and adjust the timer. So while 30 seconds is the default, a casino could change it to a different value for cash games.

I'm a bit biased toward it but I think every casino should at least offer some table with the Action Clock. Then players will not feel the burden of having to call the clock on someone else, and everyone will know the expectations up front.

If you have not seen it, heres a quick youtube link to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqUhFjfFtqM

They play with clocks at my local casino. I like it for pre-flop but not post. I've seen a few cases where someone is making an enormous post-flop decision and the dealer starts counting them down after 30 seconds, like come on, give them a minute at least.

My guess would be clueless floor person and most likely someone just their for the summer gig for the WSOP rush. They probably won't be around by the end of July.

I'd assume a large influx of floor people, dealers, etc.

Here in Toronto we have a pop up style Casino that comes every August for a few weeks and it is always riddled with amateur hour dealers and floor men/women.

We had a situation unfold at a BlackJack game where one player said "Stay" and the dealer proceeded to give him a card. She then dealt herself a 21.

The floor ruled in favour of the dealer and said that he has to "wave his hand" in the form of a stay for it to be an actual stay. Which is absolutely unheard of. I told them that this is absolutely ridiculous and unheard of and demanded they review the tapes to see that he didn't wave nor did he make a hit motion and it is clearly obvious he said "stay". We waited for about 20-30 minutes and everyone was thanking me at the end when the manager instead ruled in the players favour and then proceeded to explain the rules of the game to the floor.

All in all, most of these people are barely trained for their jobs when there's a new hiring influx going on.

Engrriiish only

Tell me why Martha Stewart, Jr. called clock again?

Clock = good rule
But it is like salt--don't overdo it.

Every casino I have ever played BJ in you have to make a hand motion to stay, it prevents issues like this from happening. Certainly not unheard of and is actually good practice.

I can tell you that back before the days of TV poker I never even heard of the idea of calling a clock. I never understand why people need so much time to ponder a single hand anyway. Even a Luddite mid-50's guy like me can handle 300 hands an hour online. Half of these guys can play 10 or 20 tables at a time and play over 1000 hands an hour. But live they need an entire minute to decide if they should call KK on a bad flop in a cash game? A minute is a long time when all I'm doing is waiting for you. No sympathy here.