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I believe the floor person was stressed because it was busy, nothing more. They also stated that the WSOP rules applied to cash games as well as tourney play.

Ultimately, the reasons for calling the clock – i.e. the shift change – is the ridiculous part of this incident.

As for the tourney rules applying to nearby cash games: is that common? For all I know, this is how it works at my local cardrooms and I've just never noticed it.

I guess when I stop and think about it, it makes sense for the Rio and the WSOP. This is a time of year with an inordinate number of recreational and even relative rookie players. So no reason to make them learn two sets of rules. Still kinda blows, though, as there are situations that shouldn't apply for a cash game.

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06-07-2017 , 08:56 PM

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borg23

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While this is absurd and unfair bc the player couldn't have expected it to happen going in to the hand 30 seconds is plenty of time to act and I'd be perfectly fine with that being the limit across the board

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06-07-2017 , 09:25 PM

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Avaritia

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Borg you can't tell me this wouldn't put you on next level tilt lol

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06-07-2017 , 10:20 PM

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ProffesionalMalaka

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The only issue I see is this was not a previously set rule so making it up on the fly is kinda mah. The clock itself is perfectly reasonable.
30 seconds is enough. Period.
Over that is just a waste of time. How the flip Kaverman and Vogelsang do just fine in a $300k with 30s and they tank forever in non-shot clock events?
Anybody remembers a hand between Fedor and Byron that took over 12 minutes?

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06-19-2017 , 07:06 PM

#30

Uh*Oh

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Last year WSOP I sat in a 1/3 game at the Rio while waiting for a tournament, it was the slowest poker game I've ever been in my entire long life of playing poker. After a couple of painful rounds I cashed out. Haven't played live cash there since.

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06-19-2017 , 08:04 PM

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SaveTheWhales

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Originally Posted by Degenx2

They play with clocks at my local casino. I like it for pre-flop but not post. I've seen a few cases where someone is making an enormous post-flop decision and the dealer starts counting them down after 30 seconds, like come on, give them a minute at least.

When we get to having RFID by standard then the clock can be sensitive to streets, $$ in the pot and action faced. Happy days.

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06-19-2017 , 09:23 PM

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dabox007

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Originally Posted by OhMyHeck!

She said she called clock as dealers were waiting to change downs and did not want the game held up. And, according to new WSOP rules the floor can call clock at any time. We were not happy.

Thoughts?

Players should never suffer for establishment minded internal reasons. Furthermore, this is a tourney rule she is referencing in a cash game environment.

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06-19-2017 , 10:13 PM

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SolarAU

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I'm not an argumentative kind of guy, pretty easy going even when **** goes down at the table but I would 100% blow up if I had the clock called on me in a cash game, especially after only 30 seconds had elapsed and I had a decision for my entire stack. It's not like in a tournament where people deliberately take a long time on decisions to squeeze through the bubble or whatever, there is no edge or advantage in spending extra time on a decision in a cash game, like someone taking time clearly has a decision to make, so I think having the clock called is completely unfair.

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06-19-2017 , 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by El_Padroni

It was a post flop decision and we don't know the board texture, so...

nit

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06-20-2017 , 04:16 AM

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Kelvis

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Originally Posted by OhMyHeck!

Yes, less than 30 seconds. The floor manager got involved and said it was perfectly reasonable and with the new rules she was fine to call clock.

Player 2 folded KK face up so he actually had something to think about.

KK easy call, 30 seconds is fine, next

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06-20-2017 , 08:07 AM

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Mike_McDee

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Lol at people calling for the floor to be fired. Yeah sure, take away somebodys living because they are enforcing a rule which was implemented by the WSOP. Jesus...

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06-20-2017 , 04:42 PM

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DCJ001

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Originally Posted by Mike_McDee

Lol at people calling for the floor to be fired. Yeah sure, take away somebodys living because they are enforcing a rule which was implemented by the WSOP. Jesus...

A rule which was implemented by the WSOP for tournaments.

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06-21-2017 , 03:05 AM

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Ray Zee

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poker has turned to a stalling and thinking game too much. it needs to move along or the rec players move along and you have no one to play with you can beat.

this is the wsop and the smallest games in the place have people stalling . 30 seconds is too long most times to hold the game up especially for a 200 dollar bet. it might be al ot of money to some but to many its a small bet at a big event.

online people have just a few seconds to make a decision so make it quick live as well.
this one might have cut the guy short but things have to move along. i go with the floor anytime they help make the game faster.

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06-21-2017 , 04:19 AM

#39

ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S

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This is disgusting.

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06-21-2017 , 04:20 AM

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ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S

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Originally Posted by Mike_McDee

Lol at people calling for the floor to be fired. Yeah sure, take away somebodys living because they are enforcing a rule which was implemented by the WSOP. Jesus...

If you want to keep your job don't be a ****ing ******.

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06-21-2017 , 04:23 AM

#41

ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S

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Originally Posted by Ray Zee

this is the wsop and the smallest games in the place have people stalling . 30 seconds is too long most times to hold the game up especially for a 200 dollar bet. it might be al ot of money to some but to many its a small bet at a big event.

I don't quite follow this.

I mean $10k is a lot to some people but is nothing to high stakes games, so therefore people shouldn't take time on it?

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06-21-2017 , 02:55 PM

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michelle227

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Originally Posted by ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S

I don't quite follow this.

I mean $10k is a lot to some people but is nothing to high stakes games, so therefore people shouldn't take time on it?

Except we are not talking a $10K bet. We are talking $200. In other words, less than the buy-in for the game...and I have yet to see someone roll up to the Rio during WSOP season with only one bullet to spare on a cash game. They may not want to fire more than one, but they typically HAVE more than one...

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06-21-2017 , 03:00 PM

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WateryBoil

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i could see 60 seconds+ being too long, 30 seconds is pretty standard. terrible floor. im glad ive always avoided the cancer that is WSOP. taxes on mtt cashes, etc etc its all bad.

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06-21-2017 , 03:05 PM

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A_Schupick

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Originally Posted by michelle227

You're missing the point. $200 is a lot to some people and not to others. Like $10k is a lot to some and not others. The actual dollar amount doesn't matter.

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06-21-2017 , 03:31 PM

#45

ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S

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Originally Posted by michelle227

So you would be totally fine with this happening to someone for $750k in a $1mil buy in game?

I mean if you would I can't really argue because at least your position is consistent.

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06-21-2017 , 04:05 PM

#46

Rewdzx

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Originally Posted by AdamSchwartz

examples?

having an outbreak of legionnaires disease from potentially contaminated water is pretty dangerous as well

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06-22-2017 , 01:03 PM

#47

Tokoloshe

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Originally Posted by Waterfall

Every casino I have ever played BJ in you have to make a hand motion to stay, it prevents issues like this from happening. Certainly not unheard of and is actually good practice.

Yes this is so but .....

Every casino I have ever played BJ in you have to make a hand motion to hit. In this case the player made no motion and said stay. Hard to rationalize that a hit was an ok move.

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06-22-2017 , 08:47 PM

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Ray Zee

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i think they should be consistent. but the reaped offenders should get very little leeway.

30 seconds is quick but also this was just after the flop so a long thought isnt needed as all his info he needs was given before the flop came. meaning also he doesnt have a whole hand to go through in his mind.

overall there is hardly anything worse than slow players in a game.

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