Reuters: Full Tilt Poker, Pokerstars and Absolute Poker charged with illegal gambling - Page 93 - Poker News

From AP support chat:

VIP: we are still operating with US players, so far we intend to keep it this wat.

VIP: That is our stance for now, unfortunately we do not have an official press release but we hope that it will remain this way.

04-16-2011 , 02:24 AM

#2302

TheDarkElf

veteran

Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,667

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHAx

Just remember boys and girls:
The US federal government wins something like 98% of all cases where the government is prosecuting someone on behalf of itself (IE you have commited a crime against government and not another individual). Crimes against the government, perceived or real, nearly always result a win for government prosecution. The bottom line is the government and its agencies are corrupt because all prosecution IS POLITICAL IN NATURE and the judges are COMPLICIT. The only solution is a small constitutionally constrained government that does not interfere in privately negotiated contracts ALA your agreement with the poker site to play poker according to their rules.

Well they didn't do too good against Barry Bonds, did they?

04-16-2011 , 02:25 AM

#2303

Kariminal

banned

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 450

....

Last edited by Kariminal; 04-16-2011 at 02:26 AM. Reason: Too angry delete,

04-16-2011 , 02:26 AM

#2304

derada4

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,544

Quote:

Originally Posted by TimTimSalabim

try putting www. in front of it to get the real site.

yeah, w/ the www it reroutes to .net

04-16-2011 , 02:26 AM

#2305

SimonofPoker

enthusiast

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 80

Quote:

Originally Posted by IV.Geoffrey

can anyone update their FTP?

just did(EU) but read above some one from Cali got to update aswell but can't play real money games(US)

04-16-2011 , 02:26 AM

#2306

AussieJayHi

enthusiast

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 86

Quote:

Originally Posted by D33P

but wait.

didn`t ftp just said all was ok and business as usual even to us players?!?

so, wtf???

Wow, a poker site put a positive spin on the current environment...I'm blown away! I assumed they would tell it like it is....

04-16-2011 , 02:27 AM

#2307

I-LOSE-EVERY-FLIP

stranger

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 13

So what about the Sunday double duece or the ME final table tournaments that I'm registered in???

Can't US people just re-route there IP Address to appear outside the US???

04-16-2011 , 02:28 AM

#2308

Wowsers

banned

Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 214

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wowsers

Alright, I see you guys have a problem at your hands the size of King Kongs scrotum... heres the deal: if anyone wanna get any funds back PM me for transfer info and Ill get them outta there and back to you through neteller or international banktransfer, but I will charge a moderate sum for the effort.

QFT... I sincerely just wanna help out my colleagues and make a coin at the same time. PM me if you think that your money is fckd or will be nailed at FTP / Stars for a long time.

04-16-2011 , 02:28 AM

#2309

gosia744

newbie

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 42

somebody knows the new adress of ft site?

04-16-2011 , 02:28 AM

#2310

CrazyNL

banned

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 3,377

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyJ

Guys sorry to be this guy, but can anyone update me on the 48 hour threat to anyone outside the US? From what I can tell it seems like everything is ok for non-US players for a while at least, is there legitimate reason to think FTP/Stars will shut down completely for everyone within the next day or two?

Also, how are stars cashouts looking? It seems like FTP players might have to wait a few months, what about Stars players outside US?

Sorry again for being that guy, hard to keep track of this :S

everything alright for non us it seems, cash outs will take time since they are w lots of work of course, but we are fine afaik

04-16-2011 , 02:29 AM

#2311

50B.C.

banned

Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 707

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wowsers

QFT... I sincerely just wanna help out my colleagues and make a coin at the same time. PM me if you think that your money is fckd or will be nailed at FTP / Stars for a long time.

why are you quoting yourself?

fail

04-16-2011 , 02:30 AM

#2312

Wilbury Twist

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 6,153

Quote:

Originally Posted by Free Phil Ivey

You are an idiot who is not worth my response. Nevertheless - to answer your question the DOJ success rate at trial (which is all that matters) is 77-80%. Contrary to you uninformed opinion that is not 100%. I have experience dealing with DOJ attorneys and have beat them - so have many other competent attorneys. Most of the time the accused cannot afford competent counsel. That is not the case here.

Furthermore, most criminal prosecutions are straight forward cases that are easy to prosecute - they are basically impossible for the government to lose. This is not one of those cases you ****ing idiot.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDarkElf

Well they didn't do too good against Barry Bonds, did they?

I can't remember where it was (although I think it was at CNN/SI) but a law professor addressed both of your points in re the recent Barry Bonds perjury case. In a post-trial column, he addressed the high success rate usually enjoyed by federal prosecutors, and why the Bonds case fell into the small minority.

While the writer acknowledged the feds' sparkling 90 percent overall win rate, he said the majority of defendants in federal cases have court-appointed counsel. Bonds, on the other hand, is wealthy enough to have hired a team of top defense attorneys. So right away, he was more likely to fall into the acquittal side than the usual defendant.

Furthermore, the 90 percent win rate amasses all crimes collectively. The feds enjoy different levels of success depending on the crime. One of Bonds' charges was perjury, which the government wins less often according to the writer's stats.

Along these same lines, when it comes to this online poker debacle, you better believe Bitar and Scheinburg and the rest will spare no expense on lawyers. As for the three main charges in the indictment, well, I can't speak for the feds' success rate in those areas. But I agree with Free Phil Ivey that fraud and money laundering are probably not as straightforward as what is usually brought before the federal bench, which means the government's usual win-loss record would not apply here.

Last edited by Wilbury Twist; 04-16-2011 at 02:32 AM. Reason: Added DarkElf's post, since he beat me to this point.

04-16-2011 , 02:30 AM

#2313

pig4bill

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Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 33,805

Quote:

Originally Posted by IamPro

Yea lol, I doubt anyone spends a day in jail atleast none of the big ppl involved (maybe the banks and that bank owner). A bunch of fines and new laws and regulations and online will be regulated by Feds in a yr.

Atleast thats my take on it.

Federal prosecutors and judges luvvvv to throw people in prison.

04-16-2011 , 02:30 AM

#2314

howarjo1943

enthusiast

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 91

FWIW...Logged off FTP a half hour ago, logged back in and installed update. Got message that U.S. play has been suspended. Guess I played my last hand at FTP ever...Went out with JJ... I raised and everyone folded preflop. LOL. Night

04-16-2011 , 02:30 AM

#2315

GreenSmoke85

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,427

the sky fell

04-16-2011 , 02:31 AM

#2316

253122

centurion

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 170

Im in Australia - Stars works fine for me, I made a deposit and havent had any problems. On the other hand I downloaded the latest update for full tilt and I can get on and play but I cannot deposit/withdraw/transfer funds to anyone

04-16-2011 , 02:31 AM

#2317

huber117

centurion

Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 186

I'm really hoping Tom Dwan, Phil Galfond, and PA are at Ivey's secret lair plotting our rescue. Surely they know best.

Seriously though, I'd love to know whats going on in their minds.

04-16-2011 , 02:31 AM

#2318

stay classy SD

adept

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 827

Quote:

Originally Posted by EYESCREW

My point in bringing it up was exactly this... During the 2008 election campaign many around these parts were afraid to support McCain because they thought he'd have it in for online poker. While I'm not saying that McCain does or doesn't support poker I was pretty angry back in 2008 when so many were suggesting Obama was the best candidate because they felt online poker was safe while he was in office.

Oddly enough one politician that supports online poker is Alphonse D'Amato. A Republican.

Who are these people that thought online poker would be "safe" with Obama in office? Wtf kind of grounds were they basing that on, that he randomly said one time he enjoys poker? That's a completely baseless and ******ed view, I don't understand how anyone would come to that conclusion from the '08 campaigns. Idk it just felt like your comment was just plain Obama scapegoating partisanship just for the sake of it, but maybe I'm wrong.

Also, not saying he doesn't fully support it, but its probably worth mentioning that afaik D'Amato is in the employ of the PPA and gets paid for his services, he's not just supporting it in a official policy-making sense but in a I'm being paid to lobby something sense. And I don't see what the point of bringing up one republican that happens to support online poker is, there's plenty of democrats who support it, many more than republicans, and who gives a ****? They're all cohorting politicians with their own agendas for what they do.

04-16-2011 , 02:31 AM

#2319

JimAfternoon

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Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 6,903

Quote:

Originally Posted by haleyedwards

3rd paragraph below might provide some hope for online poker in general, if not the indicted and their companies:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/16/te...r.html?_r=1&hp

Experts in gambling law said that the forceful action raises tricky questions about gambling laws and the government’s reach...

Lawrence Walters, a lawyer who represents online gambling operations, though not those involved in these cases, said the indictment might raise an even more fundamental question: Is online poker actually illegal? Federal law prohibits sports betting, but experts are divided over whether it clearly prohibits online games like poker and blackjack.

In the indictment, prosecutors seemed to skirt the issue. They based parts of their prosecution on state laws in New York and elsewhere that prohibited unlicensed gambling, including poker. Legal experts said the prosecutors needed to rely on such prohibitions as a foundation for going after the claims of money laundering and fraud. But Mr. Walters said this strategy might face challenges. He said it was not clear that the state laws applied to foreign-based gambling operations, given that under federal law, international commerce was regulated at the federal level.

“This appears to be a precedent-setting case,” Mr. Walters said. “It will be the first time the Department of Justice takes on the looming question of whether federal law prohibits online poker.”

Thanks for the link. I agree with the statements of Mrs. Walters from the article.

04-16-2011 , 02:31 AM

#2320

1outter

veteran

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 3,073

Quote:

Originally Posted by 50B.C.

wow thanks for the update!

Quote:

Originally Posted by 50B.C.

why are you quoting yourself?

fail

Why are you always such a sarcastic, passive-aggressive prick?

Fail.

04-16-2011 , 02:33 AM

#2321

kid poker bs

newbie

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHAx

Just remember boys and girls:
The US federal government wins something like 98% of all cases where the government is prosecuting someone on behalf of itself (IE you have committed a crime against government and not another individual). Crimes against the government, perceived or real, nearly always result a win for government prosecution. The bottom line is the government and its agencies are corrupt because all prosecution IS POLITICAL IN NATURE and the judges are COMPLICIT. The only solution is a small constitutionally constrained government that does not interfere in privately negotiated contracts ALA your agreement with the poker site to play poker according to their rules.

Just a reminder boys and girls, we can be men and riot and make our own rules. We need 1,000 angry men and we win, all day.

04-16-2011 , 02:33 AM

#2322

sethster99

newbie

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 18

Full Tilt messed up. Their software update application will not work with the redirection of fulltiltpoker.com to the FBI. Thus, anyone, in the US or otherwise, who has the updated DNS settings, will get a failure when attempting to get the update.

Those that get the update will notice that if they go to fulltiltpoker.com, they still get the normal website.

Full Tilt is now completely screwed because they can no longer issue software updates.

04-16-2011 , 02:34 AM

#2323

whupthattrick

grinder

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 653

Does anyone find it fishy what OP states in this thread, as far as bank merchants being cleared to process online poker deposits recently, and the DOJ stamping out the industry leaders shortly thereafter?

Smells a lot like the path is being cleared for US based B&Ms to get all the business.

04-16-2011 , 02:35 AM

#2324

50B.C.

banned

Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 707

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1outter

Why are you always such a sarcastic, passive-aggressive prick?

Fail.

Wow really? So you dont think it's fail that a poster keeps bumping his business proposition itt, Which is most likely a scam?

k

04-16-2011 , 02:35 AM

#2325

Monies

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 414

Not sure if this has been posted, but this is the official FBI article, it also names the 11 people charged etc.

http://www.fbi.gov/newyork/press-rel...bling-proceeds

Defendant Citizenship Residence Age
ISAI SCHEINBERG Canada; Israel Isle of Man 64 (est.)
RAYMOND BITAR United States California Ireland 39
SCOTT TOM United States Costa Rica 31
BRENT BECKLEY United States Costa Rica 31
NELSON BURTNICK Canada Ireland 40
PAUL TATE Isle of Man
RYAN LANG Canada Canada 36
BRADLEY FRANZEN United States Illinois Cost Rica 41
IRA RUBIN United States Costa Rica 52
CHAD ELIE United States Nevada 31
JOHN CAMPOS United States Utah 57

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