count me in

we all are.

I don't disagree with that one bit; the bigger challenge will be related to acquiring a Canadian bank account as a US citizen. It's not impossible, but it's going to be more of a challenge than most Americans (who don't travel) probably think. I wish everyone luck!

Pretty much everything else you have said has been ridiculous, but this is true. I know from my work, that current NJ Gov. Chris Christie was a corrupt POS DOJ guy that went after orthopedic companies and made them essentially pay millions in "tribute" fees to the DOJ for them to "ignore" deals made with doctors in 2008...now he's governor...

If america was truly the freest country on earth online poker and weed would be legal.

Until then we are not close to freest country on earth,

I live ten mins from an indian casino and I didn't run out tonight to play. I'm just sitting here kinda numb and empty.

I just never wanted to be that guy who you see every night in the same part of the local poker room come hell or high water. I don't want to be a live donk playing 30 hands an hour and bored out of my gourd by the slow pace.

I'll find the silver lining in this dark cloud. I always have in the past. I'll buy a camera and have the time to get out a photograph this beautiful landscape. I'll take those infrequent trips to Vegas and Commerce for an event during a tournament series now, and not have to worry that I'll miss my weekend tourneys which always was my excuse for not going... I won't have to rush home from the golf course every sunday like a madman so I don't miss all the big events that I loved to take my shots in.

Life will go on. But I'm not so addicted that I'm running to the casino, that's for sure, I agree.

As someone said, if live play does gain the online player or two or three, you can bet they are gonna be competent at worst. It will not be an influx of fish, that's for damn sure.

thanks. i didnt have to type all of that for myself. did anyone really vote for Obama b/c they thought he would save online poker? this sucks but its not the presidents fault on this one and hes got much bigger fish to fry lately in case you've not been paying attention.

Now I'm mad. WE NEED TO ROBESPIERRE THIS MOTHER****ING GOVERNMENT.

old news about daniel tzvetkoff from september...

http://www.news.com.au/business/bank...-1225921595188

The average intelligence of the average poster in this thread is so low it's mind blowing....

There's a select few who seem to have their heads on straight. People blaming the government are so naive to their own poor lifestyle choice. Gambling is illegal in the US except for a few select areas (Indian reservations, vegas, etc.).

The Government isn't doing anything that shouldn't be viewed as unexpected or wrong. You can't legally get away with half the stuff online sites have been doing to get US citizens to be able to play. It's money laundering, no way around it. The DOJ have prepared a 53 page document specifying details of the people and banks involved. You can't just create fake companies that help distribute money that was used for banned activities in the first place (from 2006).

Will players get punished. Most likely not. But the sites will take a major hit for sure. But they have so much money anyways that they could circumnavigate some of the charges. It's still a done deal. As far as the money on the sites? Hopefully there will be some kind of negotiation to distribute it back in return for some future agreement. But that may be some time before it happens. I'm just happy that I'm a losing player anyways... Sorry to those who make a living playing poker. Time to enter the real world.. or move to Canada lol

canada's a cool place but i dunno how u can get in here to live and exist with no job lol let alone getting CDN bank account

POTY!!!!!!!!!!

more than anything online gambling needs to be regulated in some way shape or form so that tiny stupid shell companies that prop up "tv pros" and post ads on anything that gets airtime are not the outlet for online gambling. This is just proof that these are greedy people with no oversight and their "grey area" leads them to commit crimes for profit.

This really has nothing to do with online gambling... were sports betting, casino, bingo sites hit? no. This is about tiny little offshore whores who are the only outlet for millions who want to play and the shady things they do to allow as much money to flow as possible. This was inevitable reading the details of the payment processes in the indictment.

Please read the indictment before you read any of this thread if you really want to learn about this.

I would think big time players would tweet about this but besides from durrrr, no word from FTP pros, PS pros or even the tweeter loving UB pros, i would think a guy like prahlad would go tilt monkey**** bananas crazy over this kind of thing. Hell, not even a word from Helmuth and he doesn't even has a sponsor anymore!

This entire federal law enforcement action is about "policing for profits." Instead of going after violent criminals and real terrorists, the federal government goes after the "criminals" who have the most money for the government to seize. You need to look at the website www.FEAR.org which shows how unfair and terrorizing are the money forfeiture laws. For harmless online gambling, the government will seize billions of dollars from the online poker websites and by the time they pay off their legal bills, they will all be bankrupt.

Anybody who has money in any of the online poker sites should kiss it goodbye. The little guys like you will never see a dollar back, as all the money will be forfeited and will be used for the federal law enforcement budget.

The interpretation of this particular section is CRITICAL. The first question is what does it mean to be involved in "the business of betting or wagering" pursuant to 31 USC 5363. To find the answer you first look to 31 USC 5362 for the definition of the term "bet or wager". The definitions from Section 5362 for "bet or wager" can be found here. The definition is long or I would post it here but the first part states:

(1) Bet or wager.— The term “bet or wager”—
(A) means the staking or risking by any person of something of value upon the outcome of a contest of others, a sporting event, or a game subject to chance, upon an agreement or understanding that the person or another person will receive something of value in the event of a certain outcome;

Remember this law was originally intended to ban sports betting. That is clear from the statute. Is poker "a game subject to chance" or is it a game of skill? All things in life are subject to "chance". Chance is a term usually used for lotteries. Furthermore, federal courts have already ruled that poker does not fit this definition.

Another thing to keep in mind, take a look at Section 2 of Section 5362. It states:

(2) Business of betting or wagering.— The term “business of betting or wagering” does not include the activities of a financial transaction provider, or any interactive computer service or telecommunications service.

This is not cut and dry folks. The DOJ is going to have a hell of a time making this stick imo.

i just logged into PS. I;m From aus. i got a message popup from PS saying they have stoped all gaming in the US. but i am still ok to play.

this is so BS! so now one of the biggest markets is can not play. great! may as well go and give up poker all together.

wow, it really is mind blowing.

I can only lol at this whole situation.

It's like a drug dealer calling the cops because someone broke into his house and stole his stash.

Kevmath's QuadJacks commentary is super-tilting. He's morphing into the Terminator.

request 300 dollar bank transfer, got an email saying processing. Now its back in cashier, cant withdraw, cant play. No email saying its declined. But don't worry my money is safe and secure....in the hands of FTP and i cant touch it?

I'm at a loss for words. I go to work, and I come back and see this. WOW!

RIP online poker as we know it.

Even if playing online poker is considered illegal by interpretation of the law, doesn't make it a just law. Those of us who are US citizens, still have every right to be against this action even if it is "law".

No its more like the drug dealer gets his weed from the gov't and sells it and makes tons of money then doesnt give the gov't its cut of the money and just buys more drugs instead...getting more powerful...never giving any drugmoney profits back to gov't - then gets shot in the back of the head one friday.