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Reuters: Full Tilt Poker, Pokerstars and Absolute Poker charged with illegal gambling Reuters: Full Tilt Poker, Pokerstars and Absolute Poker charged with illegal gambling

04-16-2011 , 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by TimTimSalabim
Yes. Tonight's PAD broadcast has already been cancelled.
My PAD broadcast is new
04-16-2011 , 02:10 AM
Confirmed. I was playing on FT until 1:50am, logged off, read this thread, logged on again after installing the software update, and am now barred.
04-16-2011 , 02:10 AM
Yeah, I got bad info from Quadjacks about PAD... which has now been contradicted, sorry.
04-16-2011 , 02:11 AM
I just downloaded the update and there's games going on there as we speak (U.K.)

Is that PAD comment true? Really not the time to be making jokes imo
04-16-2011 , 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by mfc
Look up the success rate of DOJ indictments. The feds do not indict unless it's at least an open court lay up. The conviction rate is something like 95%.
So you're saying they have a chance. YEAH!

04-16-2011 , 02:11 AM
what REAL BANK FRAUD & MONEY LAUNDERING looks like:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riggs_Bank

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A Saudi named Omar al-Bayoumi housed and opened bank accounts for two of the 9/11 hijackers.

Upon discovery of these transactions, the FBI began investigating the bank for possible money-laundering and terrorist financing. Although the FBI and later the 9/11 Commission ultimately stated that the money was not intentionally being routed to fund terrorists, investigators were surprised to see how lax the safeguards at Riggs Bank were. (Jonathan Bush, uncle of President George W. Bush, was an executive at Riggs Bank during this period.)

Many of these transactions involved Prince Bandar personally, often transferring over $1 million at a time. According to British investigations on the Al Yamamah deal, reported by The Guardian, Bandar would have received over $ 1.5 billion in bribery from BAE Systems, laundered through the Riggs Bank.

Augusto Pinochet, the former dictator of Chile, has been widely accused since 1973 of corruption, illegal arms sales, and torture. In 1994, Riggs officials invited Pinochet to open an account at Riggs Bank. Pinochet was arrested in 1998 in Britain for possible extradition to Spain, and his accounts were ordered frozen by court orders. A recent U.S. Senate report has revealed that Riggs executives helped Pinochet disguise millions of dollars. By using shell companies and hiding accounts from federal regulators, Riggs illegally allowed Pinochet to retain access to much of his fortune.

At least $35 million were siphoned off by long-time dictator of Equatorial Guinea, Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo, his family and senior officials of his regime. In that hearing, the President of Riggs Bank was asked why the bank would willingly enter into a business arrangement with the dictator of Equatorial Guinea, a man who willingly exercises his hold over his people with demonstrations of murder and torture on state-run television.

Riggs Bank was fined $25 million in May 2004 by the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency and the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network for violations of money-laundering laws. A long running Justice Department investigation was wrapped up quickly in February 2005 with Riggs pleading guilty and paying a $16 million fine for violations for the U.S. Bank Secrecy Act after a Wall Street Journal article reported December 31, 2004, that Riggs had extensive ties to the CIA, including that several bank officials held security clearances. Riggs and its executives denied any wrong-doing
NO ONE WENT TO JAIL! American Justice at its finest!
04-16-2011 , 02:12 AM
cant even download the new update after logging off 5 minutes ago fml
04-16-2011 , 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Solid up arrow
we got pot odds bro
lol
04-16-2011 , 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by srsbiznis
I can only lol at this whole situation.

It's like a drug dealer calling the cops because someone broke into his house and stole his stash.
No its more like the drug dealer gets his weed from the gov't and sells it and makes tons of money then doesnt give the gov't its cut of the money and just buys more drugs instead...getting more powerful...never giving any drugmoney profits back to gov't - then gets shot in the back of the head one friday.
+1

and

lol
04-16-2011 , 02:13 AM
stars says "business as usual for non US residents" soooo if i make some assumptions js it safe to say i can cash out from AP as i am a non US resident? Doubtful tho...
04-16-2011 , 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Free Phil Ivey
You are an idiot who is not worth my response. Nevertheless - to answer your question the DOJ success rate at trial (which is all that matters) is 77-80%. Contrary to you uninformed opinion that is not 100%. I have experience dealing with DOJ attorneys and have beat them - so have many other competent attorneys. Most of the time the accused cannot afford competent counsel. That is not the case here.

Furthermore, most criminal prosecutions are straight forward cases that are easy to prosecute - they are basically impossible for the government to lose. This is not one of those cases you ****ing idiot.
Numbnuts, how do you link to an ant-trust paper? That may be the case for anti trust cases but overall it is 95% u puke.

This case is pretty cut and dry. Money laundering and bank fraud in violation of the UIGEA.

You don't even understand the concept of bank fraud. lol " How was the bank defrauded"...? lolololol
04-16-2011 , 02:13 AM
I personally don't think the sites will be shut down forever or for too long. The government will soon realize how much money they can make if they tax online poker. So after all the hearings and **** goes through, I'm sure they will just come to a conclusion of the government providing licenses for online gambling sites. Just like the Dutch government is trying to do. That way they can regulate it, and make some serious cash that they have been missing out on for the past 20 years or however long online poker has been around.
04-16-2011 , 02:13 AM
If anyone from the US who isn't allowed to withdraw on PS/FTP wants to get his bankroll as soon as possible, just send me a message.

As far as I know p2p-transfers should work. I am able to withdraw (from Europe) and can send the money back via western union, neteller etc.
04-16-2011 , 02:14 AM
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Originally Posted by coolnout
when you log out and log back in you will be blocked.
Confirmed. New update when you log back in. Bans US players.
04-16-2011 , 02:14 AM
Just closed FTP and reopened it and says theres a new update to download, however whenever I hit OK it says can't connect to the server.

Also, in Aus (not US).
04-16-2011 , 02:14 AM
Is it only people from the US who cannot download the update?
04-16-2011 , 02:15 AM
u knew it was coming eventually, but still a sad day in the history of online poker
04-16-2011 , 02:15 AM
ftp updates to say gg to americans
04-16-2011 , 02:15 AM
Ban

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Originally Posted by Meersdonk
If anyone from the US who isn't allowed to withdraw on PS/FTP wants to get his bankroll as soon as possible, just send me a message.

As far as I know p2p-transfers should work. I am able to withdraw (from Europe) and can send the money back via western union, neteller etc.
04-16-2011 , 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Wowsers
Alright, I see you guys have a problem at your hands the size of King Kongs scrotum... heres the deal: if anyone wanna get any funds back PM me for transfer info and Ill get them outta there and back to you through neteller or international banktransfer, but I will charge a moderate sum for the effort.
QFT... I sincerely just wanna help out my colleagues and make a coin at the same time. PM me if you think that your money is fckd or will be nailed at FTP / Stars for a long time.
04-16-2011 , 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Meersdonk
If anyone from the US who isn't allowed to withdraw on PS/FTP wants to get his bankroll as soon as possible, just send me a message.

As far as I know p2p-transfers should work. I am able to withdraw (from Europe) and can send the money back via western union, neteller etc.
Oh sure, we'll just shovel u manies so you can keep it!
04-16-2011 , 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by $taybuffMM
I think ur an idiot not a lawyer. I like how you claim moral ground and will represent everyone in this thread, except you will rep no one in this thread because you used a new name to post that lie. . . .and you didnt advertise your firm. If the indictment read like an advertisment for furure political careers it would be filled with back patting names which it does not. The truth is these guys were buying banks and paying vigs to keep up the con. They were BUYING BANKS SO THE BANKS WOULD VIOLATE THE UIGEA. NO BANKS WOULD DO IT ANYMORE, SO THEY GOT THEIR OWN. That inst a thought crime, and Im curious as to how an esquire would actually use that phrase. PS and FT were working together, with shill companies, and fraudulent books, and then made fraudulent transactions under the auspices of a payoff to violate the law. Go ahead do your pro bono work, as most of your income is poker based and not legal retainers, id suggest you not charge for your work.
Nice intelligent post..... It would be improper for me to come on this site and outright advertise my legal services and my firm's name. I certainly am not "hiding" that information and if anyone needs legal help they can contact me through pm or whatever. Your allegation is ridiculous.

Furthermore, anyone familiar with the U.S attorneys office from the SNY knows that it is nothing more than a bully pulpit for launching political careers by making high profile prosecutions. It is disgusting. You challenge my allegation that the prosecution is nothing more than an advertisement and self aggrandizing publicity statement to launch the political careers of the involved government attorneys. Read the press release yourself - it is chalk full of "back slapping" especially towards the end.

I had hoped to come here to have a more meaningful dialogue with the poker community. I still hope that is the case but you should probably focus on fixing that beat up old car sitting on cinder blocks in your front yard.
04-16-2011 , 02:16 AM
I'm listening to this QuadJacks broadcast for the first time. Its pretty horrible. The content is fine but it sounds like they are using tin cans to communicate.
04-16-2011 , 02:17 AM
I think this thread is improving. I'm glad the last hour has been an improvement over what I've seen earlier this day. I've been following this since I found out. We the 2p2 community should be leaders. We have plenty of intelligent people who have an interest in guiding this thread into being productive. We want to find out what's going on. We want to know about our money. We want to know (and have influence) about the future of online poker. For these three reasons, I hope this thread can serve its legitimate purpose. There are less trolls when trolls are ignored and we know which members of the community are like-minded, intelligent, and interested in trying to help.
04-16-2011 , 02:17 AM
but wait.

didn`t ftp just said all was ok and business as usual even to us players?!?

so, wtf???

      
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