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02-02-2012, 06:02 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Rancho Palos Verdes, CA
Posts: 585
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Response regarding money I owe to Full Tilt
I have been inundated with calls from all the poker media sites regarding this, so it's easier for me to respond in one place. Obviously, 2+2 has become the main place where people discuss online poker so I'm posting here. It would be nice if everyone who owes money discusses it openly so there is a better chance that they will make good on their debts and the money will end up in the pockets of players with balances on FTP.
My statement to the press and the poker community:
I borrowed $400,000 to play on Full Tilt a few years ago, before PokerStars had high stakes games. I didn’t pay it back, hoping that some people who owed me and had money on Full Tilt would pay me there so I could use that against the debt. (I'm only owed about $150,000 now). I have assumed when this case is resolved, the DOJ will allow methods for dealing with debt to FTP.
Tapie Group contacted me last week and asked if I would pay them directly. Their attorney offered me the opportunity to pay in installments so I could have a chance to use money owed to me. He even offered me the opportunity to discount my debt if the US players don’t get paid in full. I told him that I have never paid less than I owe on any debt and I would rather wait until the DOJ establishes a fund for the US players. I don't believe my debt has any impact on the sale to the Tapie group as they have alleged. I was concerned about taking money due to US players and giving it to the Tapie Group because it is understood that the Tapie Group won't be the one paying the US players. On the other hand, I realize that the total debt counting other players is substantial, especially because I would include in that tally any money taken from FTP once it had become insolvent.
Here is an excerpt from the letter I sent to their attorney:
“The consensus in the poker community is that all money owed to Full Tilt or taken by investors after the company became insolvent should be used to pay back player’s funds. If I were to make a deal with you it would look like I had turned my back on the best interests of the American players.
Even though the terms are easier for me if I deal with you and it will fulfill my legal obligation, I have to see how things work out with the DOJ and try to make good on my moral obligation to the US players. I assume at some time in the future the DOJ will establish a pool of funds from Full Tilt’s assets that will be used to pay off some percentage of the player balances that are owed.”
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02-02-2012, 06:05 PM
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stranger
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 12
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Re: Response regarding money I owe to Full Tilt
You can pay me directly, barry. FT owes me money.
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02-02-2012, 06:05 PM
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banned
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,293
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Re: Response regarding money I owe to Full Tilt
lol donkaments
edit: damn thought i might be first post
gl barryg1
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02-02-2012, 06:05 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Here. Bad Posts: 34,417 Good
Posts: 8,153
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Re: Response regarding money I owe to Full Tilt
well said Mr Greenstein
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02-02-2012, 06:06 PM
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Master of the Edit Line
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Supports Bar, Online, & Home Poker
Posts: 5,999
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Re: Response regarding money I owe to Full Tilt
You say you're still owed $150,000 but how much do you still owe FTP?
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02-02-2012, 06:07 PM
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Is Right
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 18,795
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Re: Response regarding money I owe to Full Tilt
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Originally Posted by Doc T River
You say you're still owed $150,000 but how much do you still owe FTP?
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He said in the post that it's $400k.
FWIW, I have it listed as $390k.
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02-02-2012, 06:08 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Search and Destroy
Posts: 5,013
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Re: Response regarding money I owe to Full Tilt
respect for barry
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02-02-2012, 06:08 PM
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Master of the Edit Line
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Supports Bar, Online, & Home Poker
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Re: Response regarding money I owe to Full Tilt
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Originally Posted by NoahSD
He said in the post that it's $400k.
FWIW, I have it listed as $390k.
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I know he said $400,00 but then he brought up the fact he is still owed $150,000 implying that he had paid back $250,000.
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02-02-2012, 06:09 PM
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centurion
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 118
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Re: Response regarding money I owe to Full Tilt
Where is Ivey and the others. The least they can do is respond in some way.
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02-02-2012, 06:09 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: On a Rock yo
Posts: 2,282
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Re: Response regarding money I owe to Full Tilt
can you put it in escrow somehow?
make it so tapie group automatically receives the funds through a wire of some sort on the consensus that US and ROW players are paid
would resolve the issue imo
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02-02-2012, 06:10 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 4,599
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Re: Response regarding money I owe to Full Tilt
I think he meant he only owes 150K now.
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02-02-2012, 06:12 PM
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stranger
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 13
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Re: Response regarding money I owe to Full Tilt
why are you only worried about the US players getting paid what about the ROW players
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02-02-2012, 06:12 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 561
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Re: Response regarding money I owe to Full Tilt
So I presume that Tapie wants the money back, but didnt give a framework as to how that money would be used.
Further, if Tapie explicitly wrote that the money would be solely used towards repayment of players, am I to correctly assume that Barry G wouldve written the check a long time ago?
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02-02-2012, 06:12 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 2,228
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Re: Response regarding money I owe to Full Tilt
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc T River
I know he said $400,00 but then he brought up the fact he is still owed $150,000 implying that he had paid back $250,000.
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Don't think that's what he meant. I think he still owes 400k but in turn is owed $150k by others
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02-02-2012, 06:14 PM
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banned
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,293
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Re: Response regarding money I owe to Full Tilt
jesus people, its pretty clear the man said $400K and didnt pay it back yet since he anticipated people who owed him, and had money on Tilt might ship it there to which he could apply towards the debt
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