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01-01-2016 , 04:20 PM
Op, no need to go crying.

Pokerstars has done nothing wrong. If you read their terms and conditions you will see it clearly says they reserve the right to change their promotions and VIP system.

Pokerstars are just trying to help out the dwindling number of recreational players. If you dont like it go somewhere else. Oh wait, pokerstars is still the best poker site out there....good look with that.
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01-01-2016 , 04:20 PM
Stars just upgraded Jaime Staples to Team Online, clearly they don't need you anyways man.

(Much respect, site is an absolute joke now)
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01-01-2016 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ike
As of today, I am sad to report that my PokerStars Team Pro Online contract has expired and I have made the decision not to renew it.

In November, as I'm sure most of you know, Stars announced a number of unpopular changes to their VIP program (details here, if you're not familiar: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...-club-1568814/). There have been times when I have not seen eye to eye with PokerStars. I have vehemently opposed certain changes that were made or lobbied strongly in favor of changes which were not implemented. At the end of the day, though, I have always respected that those decisions were not mine to make and remained enthusiastic about endorsing the brand. This time is different. In the past, when I have disagreed with a PokerStars decision, it has been on practical matters of which goals are most important and which policies most effectively advance those goals. This time my disagreement is simpler, and deeper. I believe PokerStars is behaving unethically.

There's a lot not to like about these most recent changes and the way they've been communicated, but there's one aspect that I just can't accept. Announcing in November that players who earned Supernova and Supernova Elite status in 2015 will not receive the benefits they had expected in 2016 strikes me as dishonest and unfair. As a four time SNE, I know what it takes to rake 1M VPP in a year. It's a tough grind. For most of the players who do it, it is an all-consuming commitment more intense than most full time jobs. Many of them have relocated far from their homes and families to pursue it. Finding out, just as you approach the finish line, that your efforts will not be rewarded as you expected them to be is brutal. I cannot in good conscience continue to endorse a poker site that treats its players this way.
This is a difficult day for me and I'm truly sad to be parting ways like this with a company that I once held in such high regard. In 2012, when I first signed with PokerStars, it was one of my proudest moments in my career as a professional poker player. The PokerStars brand was beloved by the poker community and had a well established and well deserved reputation for treating its players well. I felt thrilled and honored to have my name associated with it. And for the most part, my time at the company has been a true honor and it has been an experience I'll always be grateful for. I've learned a lot about how the poker industry works, I've made good money, and I've had the opportunity to meet and work with incredible people, both other sponsored pros and PokerStars employees. I'm proud to call many of these people my friends and it hurts to know that I won't have the chance to work with them in the same way again.

I am, however, happy and relieved to now be able to speak candidly about the recent changes. I have every intention of responding to questions and I'm excited to join the ongoing conversation. Unfortunately, as I'm going to have to actually earn my living by winning at poker this year, I'm on the next flight to Manila. Please be patient with me if my responses come slowly and at irregular intervals. Happy new year, everyone!
Youve always been one of the players who I respect the most. Maybe with guys like you and Kanu deciding to part ways with stars, it might make stars re-evaluate their position here. Either way, big ups and respect.
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01-01-2016 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Dixie60
Did Pokerstars officially offer you an extension to your contract?
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Originally Posted by ike
As of today, I am sad to report that my PokerStars Team Pro Online contract has expired and I have made the decision not to renew it.

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Although Ikes statement is admirable, I would be very curious to know if Stars actaully offered an identical renewal. Also, a contract renewal is completely different from a contract extension.
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01-01-2016 , 04:22 PM
Much respect for stepping down and walking away with your head still high.

As for the point that Bakes brought up... it's a valid question, but not for this thread.
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01-01-2016 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Special_One
Op, no need to go crying.

Pokerstars has done nothing wrong. If you read their terms and conditions you will see it clearly says they reserve the right to change their promotions and VIP system.

Pokerstars are just trying to help out the dwindling number of recreational players. If you dont like it go somewhere else. Oh wait, pokerstars is still the best poker site out there....good look with that.
u really are

a "special one"
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01-01-2016 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Nick_AA
I think Ike's post is genuine, classy, and well put. One valid question which was asked earlier:

1) did stars make the same offer for 2016 to essentially roll forward your contract? It does matter whether this was an opportunistic post.
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Originally Posted by BEANO52
Although Ikes statement is admirable, I would be very curious to know if Stars actaully offered an identical renewal. Also, a contract renewal is completely different from a contract extension.
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Originally Posted by ike
Just to clarify, I was offered an extension with no reduction in my compensation.
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01-01-2016 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by CheddarStack
u really are

a "special one"
Well, thats intelligent. I take it you agree with all I said.

Pokerstars is a business. They owe you nothing. As long as their actions are legal they are entitled to run their business in a manner that looks after their own interests.

They are not obliged to look after the interests of these guys who decide to grind out 24 hours a day.

VIP rewards does not equate to cash. Its an ever changing system that must move with the times.
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01-01-2016 , 04:31 PM
"I like Ike. My bike likes Ike." - The Fonz.
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01-01-2016 , 04:31 PM
Good call Ike, you made the right decision
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01-01-2016 , 04:41 PM
Respect
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01-01-2016 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by borg23
lol so he doesn't resign when stars makes their announcement a month or two ago but after they don't want to renew him acts like he's some kind of hero with integrity walking away from money and people on here eat it up.

well played ike.
Possibly waiting to see if they reconsidered anything before the new year.
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01-01-2016 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Bakes
Ike -

You had the chance to do the right thing when Brian Hastings told you about his multiaccount and you did absolutely nothing.

The stand you are taking right now is admirable, but in my opinion, it hardly outweighs your unwillingness to act when confronted with cheating, and your silence until public pressure mounted.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=3114 for the people who don't know what I am talking about

Also, Stars has told me in certain terms that the review of Brian Hastings' account has concluded, so feel free to clear the air anytime about things that were constrained months ago
lol, stop with your ****ing whining already.

ike-

Think you made the right decision. Thanks for the well-thought out and candid response and for fighting for the players/integrity in the industry. GL this year

Looking forward to when Daniel does the same now.

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01-01-2016 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Monorail
3 Q's, Ike:

1) Were you officially offered a contract extension / renewal (with more or less the same terms as your previous one), and elected at your sole discretion to turn it down? Asking mostly to ward off cynics who may wonder whether Stars may not actually have wanted you back (not an outlandish suggestion given their new anti-reg stance), but you're just opportunistically choosing to frame it as a principled stand on your part? So was it truly a black-and-white case of "Stars made you same offer as before, and you turned it down"?

2) Asking out of personal curiosity to the extent you feel comfortable discussing: just what were the monetary terms of your contract?

3) Many are characterizing the recent tide shift as a simple "Scheinbergs = good / Baazov = bad". But DN and others have said that these changes pre-dated the purchase by Amaya, and that they would have happened even with the Scheinbergs still in charge. In fact, DN went so far as to say that it was Baazov himself who demanded the VIP/SNE changes not take place an entire year earlier! That always smelled like BS to me. From your vantagepoint, (i) would all of these things happened anyway under the Scheinbergs, and (ii) is Baazov the 'good guy' in all of this that DN would have us believe?
The Scheinbergs would have phased the changes in and if it meant taking a small hit to keep SNEs happy for a year well they have huge reserves to dip into. They would have avoided the negative PR altogether - after all they built the site from scratch and understand the value of the relationship with their customers.

Amaya on the other hand bought the company, didn't build it, so they have little affinity with their customers. They are also in financial difficulties. They overpaid for Stars and are up to their eyeballs in debt repayments. The Kentucky judgement is just another in a recent series of financial slaps in the face. The recent share price downturn reflects generally negative online poker industry news.

Finally, Amaya or lets just say Baazov, may just not have been inclined to reverse a board decision. He bought up Stars and obviously feels like the new head honcho in the industry, he is probably not ready to allow his decisions to be overturned by player opinion, and certainly not the group of players he feels are bleeding the site of revenue.
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01-01-2016 , 04:46 PM
A decision worthy of respect.
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01-01-2016 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by borg23
lol so he doesn't resign when stars makes their announcement a month or two ago but after they don't want to renew him acts like he's some kind of hero with integrity walking away from money and people on here eat it up.

well played ike.
Stars had until Jan 1 to reverse their SNE decisions. Now is the time to bale if you want to make a stand, not when they were initially leaked and later confirmed a couple of months ago.
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01-01-2016 , 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Two SHAE
lol, stop with your ****ing whining already. How many posts have you made on this topic? We get it. You were outclassed by a multi-account in games you were trying to bumhunt but instead got bumhunted.

ike-

Think you made the right decision. Thanks for the well-thought out and candid response and for fighting for the players/integrity in the industry. GL this year

Looking forward to when Daniel does the same now.
+1

this isnt the place
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01-01-2016 , 04:48 PM
+1
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01-01-2016 , 04:48 PM
Solid move man. I really look up to you a lot
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01-01-2016 , 04:50 PM
I'm sure it was not an easy decision to make, respect!
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01-01-2016 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ike
Just to clarify, I was offered an extension with no reduction in my compensation.
I was going to give my Ali G like respek nod but was a tad reluctant as the "witch hunters" ie : people bringing up the whole hastings / no comment on anything stuff etc etc did / do have some valid points + Ike had not posted the above information yet.

That said the above quote clears one part and I'm pretty sure Ike will address the issues he held back on sooner than later. He also has never come across as scummy / unethical. Even if 20% of his post or motivations to post what he posted somehow were for PR/image and whatnot I'd see nothing wrong with that as it would make sense given he is a human being who plays poker professionally who is and will likely remain in the spotlights for some time to come.

That said props / respeK Ike. Looking forward to hearing what you do actually have to say bout' all this when you feel ready.
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01-01-2016 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Bakes
Ike -

You had the chance to do the right thing when Brian Hastings told you about his multiaccount and you did absolutely nothing.

The stand you are taking right now is admirable, but in my opinion, it hardly outweighs your unwillingness to act when confronted with cheating, and your silence until public pressure mounted.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=3114 for the people who don't know what I am talking about

Also, Stars has told me in certain terms that the review of Brian Hastings' account has concluded, so feel free to clear the air anytime about things that were constrained months ago
Well Said Bakes.



Maybe if you & other PS Pro's that new about BH multiaccounting had spoke up at the time then that would have led to getting a better poker ecology.
This move has self-interest written all over it.
Knowing about BH gets you an edge, losing SNE benefits loses you an edge.

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01-01-2016 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Two SHAE

Looking forward to when Daniel does the same now.
LOL. Was going to say something like this as well but never gonna happen. TMM.
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01-01-2016 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Two SHAE

Looking forward to when Daniel does the same now.
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01-01-2016 , 05:11 PM
ITT "spitting on chickens"
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