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A Reg. Fish's Confession. How the Sharks/Rakeback "Pros" are killing online poker. A Reg. Fish's Confession. How the Sharks/Rakeback "Pros" are killing online poker.

08-27-2014 , 01:57 PM
you're not disagreeing with me though.
recreational players are basically fine losing money and looking at it as a cost of entertainment as long as they have fun and have a chance to win.

with the way online poker is currently structured the games are as boring as watching paint dry and they have almost zero chance to win if they want a night of gambling.

in live poker if most people at the table or social and they have a few other players splashing around they will have fun- and in many cases play and lose money for years.

if these games were all 8 or 9 anti social sharks and them in super tight games they would quickly be back at the pit games.
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08-27-2014 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by p2 dog, p2
we heard this 5 years ago. i guess every one was supposed to stay stagnant so OP could win a bit eh??? 1999, damn, you are a dinosaur. u should be happy u were playing when you were, u should have mad cash saved from those days even if u have down syndrome.

ppl get better at everything as time passes, everything. is ryan leaf supposed to blame the peyton mannings of the world for being to good at quarterback, preventing him from making a living as one??


Spoiler:
OP says whe whe
the leaf manning analogy is awful.when you suck the fun out of poker (or if casinos did this with pit games) you lose the casual players which is where money really comes from. the structure of football is completely different.
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08-27-2014 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by borg23
you're not disagreeing with me though.
recreational players are basically fine losing money and looking at it as a cost of entertainment as long as they have fun and have a chance to win.

with the way online poker is currently structured the games are as boring as watching paint dry and they have almost zero chance to win if they want a night of gambling.

in live poker if most people at the table or social and they have a few other players splashing around they will have fun- and in many cases play and lose money for years.

if these games were all 8 or 9 anti social sharks and them in super tight games they would quickly be back at the pit games.
No not disagreeing.

Online - depends what you do. I agree online cash is like that - money transferring from bad players to good players in an orderly way (except now its money transferring from very good to excellent). Tournaments are less like that - feels good when you ship a 45 man, even if you don't do it often. When you open Pokerstars (6) and click "holdem" you just get offered cash games. Tournaments for all forms are lumped together on a single tab. Should be the other way round.

Super tight - I don't know and I'm not sure. Wouldn't the recreational players like to be able to bluff tight players out of pots?
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08-27-2014 , 05:16 PM
Borg winning this thread


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Originally Posted by Tutejszy

Basicly, every loosing player needs some sort of rationalization. Current rationalization is HUDs/multitablers.


posts like this sort of response are the losers. Lots of winning players share this opinion, so its not just losing players bleating.

Yeah these threads come up often, and each time the business/pros-{wannabes} embarrass themselves when the customers/recs explain to them why they aren't buying from them as much as they would like to.
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08-27-2014 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by clfst17
Rake is about a billion times more problematic than HUDS. Amazing how ignorant people are about this. The sites are raping everyone and will continue to do so until people stop playing.
wtf do you think the site is there to do? They are there to make money and that's it.
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08-27-2014 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by spacehippie
wtf do you think the site is there to do? They are there to make money and that's it.
they could do less money and still do a lot of money
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08-27-2014 , 07:55 PM
Youre all delusional if you think berating fish turns them away. They are fish because they don't do anything right. Fish don't agree with you when you point out their flaws. Its like telling some hardcore religious person about science. They just don't care what you say and don't believe you.
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08-27-2014 , 08:27 PM
HUD's allow regs to play multiple tables. Players who play multiple tables pay rake. Rake feeds the poker sites. Poker sites therefore like multi-tablers and HUD's. Seems pretty straight forward to me.
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08-27-2014 , 08:32 PM
Game structures are better today.

They are faster, and often include more action.

People make posts like OP every year since poker became popular.

People made posts like this during the booming years leading up to black friday. Poker is "always dying" and "fish are disappearing" when you read these forums.

The largest evidence of issues and declining of poker has been due to regulations in certain countries (namely the USA, but also France, Italy, Spain and others). It's taken a toll on liquidity, advertisement and costs (rake).

There are certainly problems with poker and structures (such as severe bumhunting in heads up cash over the years), but those are issues that always existed, and have somewhat improved over time.
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08-27-2014 , 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by LektorAJ
This.

I jumped into one of the new (at least I haven't seen them till recently, maybe my filter settings) 50 cent SNGs on stars today and there was this Finnish guy berating the other bad players. Suffice it to say that he didn't cash.
That's not prove that he was a fish though. But I'm sure he was.

Most of the time it's fish berating donks if you want the correct level of skill to be determined. But yes every since one of them is worse at poker than they think they are.
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08-27-2014 , 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkCommitted
people will continue to turn 18 and deposit money
It stopped being 2003-2006 a long time ago. The number of teenagers who become enchanted with televised poker and can't wait to wade into the pool is probably about 1/50th of what it was then.
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08-27-2014 , 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by cicakman
Youre all delusional if you think berating fish turns them away. They are fish because they don't do anything right. Fish don't agree with you when you point out their flaws. Its like telling some hardcore religious person about science. They just don't care what you say and don't believe you.
They may not agree with you but they don't like you for pointing it out. Anything that makes fish feel bad is minus EV for a winning player.
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08-27-2014 , 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Ravedancer
I tried online again a few weeks ago after a few years away. I am a rec/fish online and it's so damn boring! Half the players use the whole frickin time bank every move. I'm there drunk and looking to splash around but I just gave up donating cuz it's so damn boring.
Most important post in the entire thread. This is a perfect example of how right the OP is, and why his words are very relevant.
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08-27-2014 , 09:43 PM
Oh noes the games are too hard make it stop. I don't wanna play against tough opponents and I am the CUSTOMER I AM ALWAYS RIGHT I SHOULD GET WHAT I WANT MAKE IT STOP NOW OR I WILL TAKE MY BUSINESS ELSEWHERE.
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08-27-2014 , 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by cicakman
Youre all delusional if you think berating fish turns them away. They are fish because they don't do anything right. Fish don't agree with you when you point out their flaws. Its like telling some hardcore religious person about science. They just don't care what you say and don't believe you.
Why in the world would you want to point out a fish's flaws to him?
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08-27-2014 , 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by SandmanNess
If all huds were banned and tables were capped at some stupidly low number like 6 or less, fish would get slaughtered by good players much faster than they do now.
No more donk on donk violence would happen. Look at when Party restricted tables for winning players. You actually had tables with averages closer to what online poker used to have. I can't see online poker ever getting back to what it was as online poker was a fad to casual players and in parts of the world where there are still dumb idiot donks like Russia they don't play much above lunch money stakes.
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08-27-2014 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by SandmanNess
If all huds were banned and tables were capped at some stupidly low number like 6 or less, fish would get slaughtered by good players much faster than they do now.
You seem to believe that 24 tabling rakeback HUDbots who lose overall in the games but make money through rakeback will play better on 4 tables without a HUD, crushing the fish more quickly.

I believe they have developed no observational skills and will play worse without software handling that aspect of the game for them.
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08-27-2014 , 11:06 PM
People who are good enough to 'crush' today's game have no life volume grinding microscopic edges and being staked threw gross varriance. And then there are those who appear on top but really are only break even players for the last 5 years, basically playing high enough not to lose to rake only but really living off their 'Golden era' gains of the past ( hello Brian Hasting and Phil Galfond)....
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08-28-2014 , 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by RonMexico
Oh noes the games are too hard make it stop. I don't wanna play against tough opponents and I am the CUSTOMER I AM ALWAYS RIGHT I SHOULD GET WHAT I WANT MAKE IT STOP NOW OR I WILL TAKE MY BUSINESS ELSEWHERE.
You're a ****ing idiot Ron.

Borg wins the thread.
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08-28-2014 , 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by cicakman
Youre all delusional if you think berating fish turns them away. They are fish because they don't do anything right. Fish don't agree with you when you point out their flaws. Its like telling some hardcore religious person about science. They just don't care what you say and don't believe you.
yea that's why casinos yell and curse at their pit game players

oh wait- they do the exat opposite.

fish are you customers- grow up, stop berating them and being a miserable human being to be around and treat them with respect whether live or online.
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08-28-2014 , 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by mark32607
Why in the world would you want to point out a fish's flaws to him?
it's even more pathetic when they do it live to some successful businessman -as though it's some accomplishment to be better at a game they play every single day than someone who plays a few times a year or that being better at poker makes them a superior person.
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08-28-2014 , 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoRy
Game structures are better today.

They are faster, and often include more action.

People make posts like OP every year since poker became popular.

People made posts like this during the booming years leading up to black friday. Poker is "always dying" and "fish are disappearing" when you read these forums.

The largest evidence of issues and declining of poker has been due to regulations in certain countries (namely the USA, but also France, Italy, Spain and others). It's taken a toll on liquidity, advertisement and costs (rake).

Berating recreational players is obviously bad but I rarely see any reg doing this. I'd guess it's less than 1 in 100. There's always going to be a few idiots in the mix.

There are certainly problems with poker and structures (such as severe bumhunting in heads up cash over the years), but those are issues that always existed, and have somewhat improved over time.
This.

I've been playing on line seriously for nearly 10 years and I can recall this type of post being made almost the entire time.

Stop blaming software and those who use the the available software for the fact that you can't win. Stop demanding that every site should ignore their own best interest and customize their rules to fit your skill set.

Instead of complaining about every site not customizing the games to fit your skill set put the work in to become a winner or play a site that caters to your skill set.

Almost every site has Zoom type games for those who don't like waiting around. I can think of two sites with tight table caps. I can think of two sites with anonymous tables.
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08-28-2014 , 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Buried
I believe they have developed no observational skills and will play worse without software handling that aspect of the game for them.
++ Yes, what is so nice about live play is that this is favored. If I wanted to play a bot I would play a bot. Having an HUD assistant leans the game away from a human game more towards playing against a machine. I much prefer playing a man without artificial aides. Hence, I now prefer live play. But, hell, I'm just another fish, so whatever...
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08-28-2014 , 03:52 AM
Why do people keep making these threads?

"People who are good at poker, please stop being good at poker. You're making it hard for me."

Get over it, FFS. Online poker is dead and has been for the better part a decade. Stop whining about HUDs and people who actually managed to figure out how to squeeze blood from a stone; they're not the reason there's no money left online. Get a job.
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08-28-2014 , 03:52 AM
Im not a fish. And I completely agree with borg and people like AJacksons attitude "oh well u must suck at poker" is idiotic and typical

Except i sort of agree with cicakman that berating isn't reeeeally that much of a problem. Some smack talk is prob enjoyed by fish, rather than utter silence. And others just dont care.
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